A useful retort for those claiming #Irma & #Harvey hurricanes are a sure sign of ‘climate change’

WattsUpWithThat ^ | September 10, 2017 | Anthony Watts

[Enchante]

History can be a pesky thing, facts are stubborn things. There’s lot’s of caterwauling in the left about hurricane Irma on the heels of Harvey, being a sure sign of ‘climate change’ or global warming, or ‘climate disruption’ or something. A couple of days ago, king of the alarmists, Dr. Michael Mann, and his ex NCDC/NCEI toadie Dr. Thomas Peterson (architect of the Karlization of the global temperature record), penned a ridiculous op-ed in the Washinton Post....

...Only in the mind of Mann can such drivel be produced. Mann is not a hurricane expert, he’s also apparently not a scholar of history.

Dr. Philip Klotzbach is both....

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Philip Klotzbach @philklotzbach

Harvey & #Irma made US landfall as major hurricanes ~15 days apart. Record between US major hurricane landfalls is 23 hours set in 1933.

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So the question for Mann et al. is: what drove those major hurricanes to be so close together in 1933? Surely if that happened today, it would be used to “kill any doubt” Right?

And what about the fact that Irma and Harvey have come in 7th and 18th compared to storms of that era, hmmm?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Enchante]

1930s had bigger hurricanes spaced more closely together.... #Irma and #Harvey are strong but far from unprecedented in the past century's record (never mind what may have happened over centuries and millenia).

[Enchante]

So how are the storms of the 1930s to be attributed to CO2-driven “climate change”????

[umgud]

They are a sure sign of sea level rise, albeit briefly.

[Secret Agent Man]

Why coal of course. People were still getting home coal deliveries back then. Firewood. They burned their yard leaves, man!

/sarc

[stylin19a]

considering there were 7 previously named storms in the 2017 hurricane season that nobody remembers.

[samtheman]

So how are the storms of the 1930s to be attributed to CO2-driven “climate change”????

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I guess you weren’t paying attention when you An Inconvenient Truth and manbearpig told us that the relationship between atmospheric carbon and global temperature is “complicated”.

[bigbob]

Spreading the ocean around

[Enchante]

It’s true, I pay no attention to what Albore says....

[sauropod]

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[Berosus]

Twelve years went by between Katrina and Harvey. Weren’t the alarmists blaming the lack of hurricanes during that time on global warming, too?

[SkyDancer]

You would figure with all the global warming going on during WW2 culminating in the atomic bombs on Japan should have created massive climate change - or something something - localized global warming?

[Enchante]

Back at the time of Katrina the Alarmists were telling us there would be more and bigger hurricanes all the time..... they have no explanation for more than a decade of Atlantic hurricane “drought”....

[Enchante]

Back at the time of Katrina the Alarmists were telling us there would be more and bigger hurricanes all the time..... they have no explanation for more than a decade of Atlantic hurricane “drought”....

[\/\/ayne]

Evolution Theory doubters were told throughout the years that it would be impossible for a world wide consensus of science communities to censor data and falsify evidence in a gigantic science hoax.

While perhaps not ready to examine Evolution Theory closely, many Global Warming skeptics can now at least say "Yes, it's possible for such a thing to happen."

[mulligan]

Some people never grow up.

[Bon mots]

Oh come on now... there were no major hurricanes when Obama was President. Trump is not even done with his first year and already Gaia is responding angrily... Trump must have a hurricane machine. Just wait until he gets his hands on Cheney and Rove's earthquake machine...

[beethovenfan]

Who believes anything Mann says anymore after his thoroughly discredited “hockey stick” baloney?

[erlayman]

It is hard compare intensity or frequency of tropical storms and hurricanes today with earlier eras, especially pre satellite (1970’s). As far as I know there models that both predict more and those that predict fewer. You can go back and forth all day. Apparently we still are.

[Yardstick]

And what about the fact that Irma and Harvey have come in 7th and 18th compared to storms of that era, hmmm?

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Wait, I thought Irma was the biggest or most powerful ever measured in the Atlantic. Is that not true? There were worse in the ‘30s?

If so, that is a good fact to have handy.

[Enchante]