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Dunkirk
Steyn On-line ^ | July 29, 2017 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/30/2017 6:16:31 AM PDT by Twotone

I liked Christopher Nolan's Interstellar because the bad guy was a fraudulent climate scientist called Dr Mann. So I was hoping Dunkirk might feature a sadistic Gestapo officer called Obergruppenklimatführer Mann. But Dunkirk is not that kind of a war film. Indeed, Christopher Nolan says it's not a war film at all but a survival movie. And in May of 1940 it was not a question merely of individual survival, but of national survival, too.

Nolan belongs to the last generation of Britons for whom the word Dunkirk is of mythic proportions. He's pushing fifty, and I find it hard to believe it means as much to those born in the Nineties. Beyond the Commonwealth, and certainly in America, Dunkirk signifies nothing. But in dear old Blighty it cast, as I wrote the other day, a very long shadow...

(Excerpt) Read more at steynonline.com ...


TOPICS: History; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
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For those who would enjoy Steyn's take on the movie & the history...
1 posted on 07/30/2017 6:16:31 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

More from Steyn:
>They won the war, and lost their country anyway. Britain’s new invaders arrive at Dover, and Heathrow and Gatwick, every day of the week, annexing territory and incubating therein the men who run you down on London bridges, and stab you in restaurants, and blow you up at pop concerts, and decapitate you in the streets. A little after mid-century, there’ll still be bluebirds over the White Cliffs of Dover, but the “white British” - ie, the men and women seen in this film - will be a minority in their own islands. <


2 posted on 07/30/2017 6:29:06 AM PDT by EliRoom8
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To: EliRoom8

That’s what happens when you go from a Winston Churchill to a Theresa May. We are sorely lacking for men (& women) of great vision & common sense.


3 posted on 07/30/2017 6:34:56 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone
“We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.”

~C.S. Lewis

4 posted on 07/30/2017 6:42:04 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

It’s the left. They will always squander the hard work of others.


5 posted on 07/30/2017 6:47:52 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: EliRoom8

I was about to post the same exact excerpt...

A sad epilogue of cowardly submission to a story of great courage.

That movie would have been unbelievably powerful if it had included Steyn’s epilogue in its final scenes.


6 posted on 07/30/2017 7:03:43 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Twotone
All due respect to Britain's Greatest Generation but Dunkirk was a full blown ,near panic stricken retreat the English Army barely escaped from. They had been chased off the continent in just about six weeks, having not learned the lesson of the Sclheffien(sp?) Plan and trusting in the belief that the French Army would hold back the panzers with the Maginot Line. Thankfully had Hitler not been a military dilettante the entire British Army would have been trapped and annihilated.
7 posted on 07/30/2017 7:06:44 AM PDT by jmacusa (Dad may be in charge but mom knows whats going on.)
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To: Twotone

Few people truly understand how just by one ill-timed decision by Hitler, Dunkirk became synonymous with salvation instead of total defeat like Waterloo.


8 posted on 07/30/2017 7:10:31 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The Abolition of Man should be required reading.


9 posted on 07/30/2017 7:18:57 AM PDT by weston (SO HERE'S THE STORY: As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: jmacusa

Thankfully had Hitler not been a military dilettante the entire British Army would have been trapped and annihilated.
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Actually, thankfully the people of Briton still served God. Every day during the Evacuation crisis the whole country prayed for deliverance, everyday at noon. God rewarded this devotion to prayer with pouring down rain that kept the German planes out of the sky and the German observers from knowing what artillery the English had at Dunkirk so that Hitler didn’t want to risk his Tanks to the Artillery. On top of that the Chanel was as calm as a pond during the evacuation so that the small boats could get across safely.

Would we today come to know as well as they did and serve Him and be blessed by Him.


10 posted on 07/30/2017 7:19:21 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at leMPGast as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

The film must be seen on the big screen. Don’t wait for the DVD.


11 posted on 07/30/2017 7:22:03 AM PDT by Ciexyz (I'm conservative & traditionalist.)
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To: jmacusa

I had never heard of the Schleiffen Plan. Funnily enough, there was a question on Jeopardy about it this week. So, I looked it up. Eerie to see the reference twice this week. Sadly, I believe that much of Europe is on it’s last legs, unless they can throw off the invaders. But that would require that they RECOGNIZE the enemy in their midst and RESPOND accordingly.


12 posted on 07/30/2017 7:23:27 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: JAKraig
Yes, they believed in God at one time but it appears Britain is done for. But the Lord moves in mysterious ways. As I said had Hitler not been a military idiot and an Anglophile the British Army could have been history. Hitler truly believed the English were people who shared his views on a number of things and he really didn't want to fight them. And to be honest about it the British were to a degree antiSemitic , had a rigid class system and had been an aggressive and imperialistic power at various times in history.
13 posted on 07/30/2017 7:29:10 AM PDT by jmacusa (Dad may be in charge but mom knows whats going on.)
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To: originalbuckeye
The key to the Schleiffen Plan was drawing the Anglo-French armies into Belgium with a diversionary attack. Of course this meant violating Belgian neutrality which the Germans did. Then the main attack would come through the supposedly impenetrable Ardennes Forest, crossing the Meuse River at the French town of Sedan, execute a 180% right flank maneuver and on to Paris. Amazingly the Germans did this successfully three times, in 1914, 1940 and 1944.
14 posted on 07/30/2017 7:38:32 AM PDT by jmacusa (Dad may be in charge but mom knows whats going on.)
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To: JAKraig

Not one mention of prayer in Dunkirk. The film was atheist and therefore, along with the ridiculous up to date and up to the minute perfect shaven 2017 brat close shaven hairdos, factually inaccurate.


15 posted on 07/30/2017 7:46:31 AM PDT by stanne
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To: jmacusa

You’re mixing up your plans. The Manstein Plan of 1940 completely altered the Schleiffen Plan of 1914. The Brits were very prepared for the 1914 plan and that is why they were positioned where they were positioned.

Schleifen himself warned that the Germans had to use a risky economy-of-force (undermanned force) across the main front in order to make the right wing strong enough. In 1914 it just barely failed because the Germans did not accept enough risk to give the main attack quite enough mass.


16 posted on 07/30/2017 7:52:05 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Von Schlieffen Plan is WWI! Strong right wing (single envelopment), quote from the German general staff, “ Let the last man (meaning one furthest out on the right wing!) brush the Channel with his sleeve..”

In 1940 the Germans did an armored & motorized infantry assault through the Ardennes. This caught the Allies by surprise! Both right & left flanks (wings) heavily defended by the Allies. One flank the Maginot Line, the other the BEF (minus the 51st Highland Division) the middle was Ardennes and was very lightly defended. It was rough terrain, tanks & vehicles supposedly couldn’t get through it. Guess what? They did! Allies were split in two the BEF plus some French & others retreated to the Channel. That sets up Dunkirk. The rest of the French Army retreats toward Paris as south. Huge hole opens up in the middle exploited by the Germans. The Allies actually had more and better quality tanks then the Germans but poor armor doctrine squandered the advantage. The one French general who understood what to do with armor actually defeated the Germans I think twice in local battles. It wasn’t enough, the general’s name was Charles De Gaulle! The French government was completely demoralized. In a state of panic and as always seems to be the case in French history (with one notable exception!) the leadership betrayed the courage of the rank and file. An honest reading of French military history will show that the French soldier often displayed crazy levels of courage! Unfortunately his national leadership often put him in impossible situations.


17 posted on 07/30/2017 8:00:53 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Twotone

bttt


18 posted on 07/30/2017 8:03:25 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life :o)
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To: Reily

“...The Allies actually had more and better quality tanks then the Germans but poor armor doctrine squandered the advantage...”

Rommel was a relatively unknown Panzer division commander and his unit was largely armed with Czech T38s that were very small as were most of the German tanks in the Ardennes attack. The medium MKIVs were in very limited numbers and even the light MkIIIs were in short supply. The MkIIs were really just scout vehicles with a 20mm cannon and a machine gun. Still the Germans put a whole mess of them at the decisive time and place.


19 posted on 07/30/2017 8:12:54 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Let the right sleeve of the right-most soldier brush the Channel.


20 posted on 07/30/2017 8:19:40 AM PDT by x1stcav (White. Male. Unreconstructed. Never owned a slave.)
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