Posted on 07/11/2017 10:32:06 AM PDT by AAABEST
Stopped watching Fox News Sunday some time ago, Wallace is turning into his Commie old man.
It’s the fact of the matter. Many were complaining about it, even here, at the time.
OAN! Not nearly as many commercials.
Like, report the facts and don't express even one opinion?
I just want to know who-what-when-where and why (if why is not an opinion).
Opinion should be a separate show so labeled.
Fox lost me when they hired the Harf blond from the state dept.
Shit for brains doesn’t begin to tell the story.
Hannity is still doing a great job for the good side.
That is not ghetto English. Using Sh as S is simply regional, from NY area.
There are a lot of great accents and pronunciations in this country. That’s just one.
>> It’s the fact of the matter. Many were complaining about it, even here, at the time <
Consistency is not required around here.
The vast, vast majority of never Trumpers are Neo-cons - eg: Neo Cons try to make peace with "unfit" president. McCain, Kristol, Bush II, Boot, Rove, etc - all neo-cons that hate Trump.
And while the AHCA is a bad bill, it is still much better than the ACA and given the current makeup of the Senate, your choices are either ACA or AHCA (or even closer to ACA than AHCA) for the meantime.
You’e simply wrong. You’re not telling the truth. Most of the Fox people were promoting Trump during the primaries. Megyn Kelly wasn’t (one reason she’s no longer there), and O’Reilly studiously tried to stay neutral but did detailed coverage every time Trump coughed, usually favorable. Hannity was in the tank, still is, and most of the others (Bolling, Guilfoyle, Baier, etc.) were highly partisan Trumpers from the beginning. Most of their panelists were at lest soft Trumpers.
The other channels didn’t carry every moment of every Trump rally unfiltered the way Fox did. And it was very hard for any other candidate to get time on Fox. It was noticed by many people. Go back through the threads from the primaries. Many of us were noting this phenomenon at the time.
As to “The vast, vast majority of never Trumpers are Neo-cons”, that’s just not so. While there is that branch — and you cite many of them — there were also the people who despise neocon RINOs even more than Trumpers do, but saw Trump as a progressive: Lowry and the National Review crowd, Beck, Ben Shapiro, Mike Lee, Ben Sasse, other conservatives of that ilk who are anything but neocons, but also could not bring themselves to vote for Trump for entirely different reasons. (Many, unlike the neocons, have been fairly supportive of the President these days, although not universally so and obviously not on everything.)
Sasse and Lee are two of only three Senators with lifetime 100 percent ratings from ACU. (The other, FTR, is Ted Cruz, whom many FReepers seem to want to oust.)
AHCA is absolutely NOT “much better than the ACA.’ It isn’t repeal or replacement, simply a little tinkering around the edges of 0bamacare. All major features of 0bamacare remain in place. THAT IS NOT WHAT REPUBLICANS PROMISED US, and for Trump to throw his weight behind that is disappointing. Get a better bill.
Even if we can’t get full repeal (which passed both houses at least once and went to the Oval Office, where Zero killed it), at least get a better bill than either AHCA or the even-worse Senate monstrosity. The Cruz compromise looks like it might be promising, and it moves further away from 0bamacare than either the House or Senate bill. I haven’t seen President Trump say one word in support of something along those lines, but he pushed hard for the AHCA disaster.
Or why not the Sasse solution, which President Trump tweeted support for? — repeal now, replace later. It was great that the president endorsed that, and most of the so-called “Never Trump” people praised him for it (and for many other things.)
Further, as the author of “The Art of the Deal” must know, you begin any negotiation by asking for EVERYTHING — or at lest much more than you are expecting to get — and you throw away certain things (that perhaps weren’t that important anyway) to get a good deal, even if it’s an imperfect compromise. But when you start with the compromise position (i.e., AHCA), all you do is negotiate your way to something worse than that (i.e., the Senate monstrosity.)
You Ever Trumpers who blindly support anything he says and does, even things you would have opposed from President McCain or President Romney, amuse me.
It’s not about “defending your guy” at all costs — it’s about getting our ideas enacted as much as we can. President Trump has been very helpful on that is a number of areas but not helpful in some others. When he is moving our principles forward, it’s our job to back him up as strongly as we can. But when he’s backing things that undermine our principles,it’s our job to oppose that — again, as strongly as we can.
There are too many in the media who just oppose the President automaticlly, and a smaller number (although many) who support him automatically (and blindly.) Most people fall into neither camp, and I think that is the right position to hold.
TLDR but you are definitely wrong.
No, I am right. You refuse to do anything except keep repeating your assertions over and over. But the facts and the evidence don’t support you.
You seem to think that anyone who doesn’t just automatically echo Trump’s position on ever single thing is completely anti-Trump. Not so.
As I said before, go back and check the threads at the time. You’ll see that I am correct.
You seem to think that anyone who doesn’t just automatically echo Trump’s position on ever single thing is completely anti-Trump. Not so.
I can quite surely say I have never said that. I simply said the vast majority of never-trumpers are neo-cons and that is a fact. I think the ACHA bill is horrible but what we had pre-aca was also horrible. Healthcare costs in the United States once the government (~1960) got involved with Medicare, later Medicaid and then banning reportation, not enforcing the sherman anti-trust act and not enforcing pricing disclosures have gone up 8-10% annually for ~60 years straight. The ACA didn't change that and neither will the ACHA. The system was on track to crash the US government and the economy in 20-30 years pre ACA and is still on track to do it post ACA. I have no problem with your position on the ACHA, but its not Trump that is responsible for it - it's the Snowes and McCain's of the world that are. Maybe Trump should just veto in principal and let the ACA exchange die off but that still doesn't get rid of the taxes or the massive expansion of medicaid.
Baier,
And last night after Hannity’s show with Donald Trump Jr. interview, there was special show, Specialists “After Dark,” with a whole panel of people on that were anti-Trump Junior!!! Frankly with the exception of Bolling, who was playing neutral host, none of them were pro-Trump at all.
Disgusting!!
During the primaries and much of the general election campaign, Fox was totally in the tank for Trump. Whenever he spoke, they pre-empted programming to carry every word. Other candidates could barely get brief interviews. Several of the personalities were or are complete Trumpkins.
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Seems to me that during the primaries, they were first in the tank for Rubio and then Cruz...I could only watch Hannity and sometimes O’Reilly.
Were we watching the same station?
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