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On this date in 1865

Posted on 04/09/2017 8:20:32 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

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To: Leaning Right

Most of the German generals were not Nazis. There were plots to take out Hitler way before 1939.

Patton studied Guderian’s tactics and improved them.


21 posted on 04/09/2017 9:33:38 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Bull Snipe

It was the greatest defeat ever suffered by the DemonRats but they are ready to do it again.


22 posted on 04/09/2017 9:34:29 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: FatherofFive

Rommel invented tank warfare.


23 posted on 04/09/2017 9:35:08 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Rommel invented tank warfare.


You might want to read up on Heinz Guderian.


24 posted on 04/09/2017 9:37:17 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

Right. Rommel perfected it and made money writing books about it.


25 posted on 04/09/2017 9:38:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Leaning Right
“I’d without hesitation rank Washington above Lee. No contest there, in my opinion. Both Lee and Washington faced long odds. But Washington was able to pull it off. Lee could not.”

Here's another opinion, from Theodore Roosevelt: “As a mere military man Washington himself cannot rank with the wonderful war-chief who for four years led the Army of Northern Virginia.”

Roosevelt also said, that Lee “will undoubtedly rank as without any exception the greatest of all the great Captains that the English-speaking people have brought forth - and this, although the last and chief of his antagonists may claim to stand as the full equal of Marlborough and Wellington.”

26 posted on 04/09/2017 9:39:30 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Leaning Right

Grant’s river campaigns in the West mark him out as a great general.


27 posted on 04/09/2017 9:40:33 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: laplata

> Most of the German generals were not Nazis. There were plots to take out Hitler way before 1939. <

Right. But before the July 20, 1944 assassination attempt on Hitler, generals could carry personal sidearms when attending Fuhrer conferences. Imagine how things would have changed if one of those generals had shot Hitler in, say, early 1938.


28 posted on 04/09/2017 9:42:09 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: central_va

Guderian was the best German armored warfare general.


29 posted on 04/09/2017 9:42:10 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: central_va
Rommel invented tank warfare.

May be true. Patton did command tanks and theorize about them well before Rommel.

30 posted on 04/09/2017 9:43:07 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Leaning Right

That’s right. One right behind the ear would have done the trick.


31 posted on 04/09/2017 9:43:18 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

Agree.Face it, the krauts figured out mechanized warfare real quick becasue they were on the receiving end at the tail end of WWI.


32 posted on 04/09/2017 9:44:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Stentor

Patton was an asshole. But he was a competent asshole.


33 posted on 04/09/2017 9:47:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: laplata
"Rommel invented tank warfare."

Rommel picked it up from the Brits who invented the tank (with Churchill's backing) in WWI. They did a number of studies after the Great War but ignored them. Rommel read them and improved on them.

34 posted on 04/09/2017 9:47:32 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: central_va

> Patton was an *sshole. <

Yep. An older acquaintance of mine served in Patton’s Third Army. He hated Patton with a passion. Patton once personally fined my acquaintance for not wearing a tie...in a combat zone.


35 posted on 04/09/2017 9:51:27 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: RedWulf

Comparing Patton to Lee is not a good caparison. A better comapoarison is Patton to Jackson.


36 posted on 04/09/2017 9:51:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Stentor

He led tanks in WW I and went to the French Tank school. That’s when he was shot in the butt.

Early on, Patton and Ike were almost decapitated by a snapped cable when working with tanks.


37 posted on 04/09/2017 9:55:07 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: stevem
I always thought Grant was the greatest military man ever to put on a uniform on behalf of the United States.

Grant was the general who in Lincoln's words, could "face the arithmetic." He did what he had to do to win but he had his share of blunders - Chickasaw Bayou during the Vicksburg campaign, Spotsyvania, Cold Harbor. I don't consider him in any way brilliant.

It's arguable that Sherman was both smarter and more effective than Grant. Sherman learned over the course of the war. Grant really didn't. If you compare how Sherman developed as a general, after his failure to entrench at Shiloh, the futile assaults at Chickasaw Bayou and Missionary Ridge, he seems to have reassessed his tactics. During the Atlanta campaign and the march to the sea he used maneuver as a means of taking objectives as opposed to frontal assaults on entrenched positions defended by skilled veterans armed with rifled muskets. Grant on the other hand just kept throwing bodies at fortified positions.

38 posted on 04/09/2017 9:59:10 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Proudly deplorable since 2016)
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To: fella

Rommel learned everything from Guderian. Guderian was the father of the Blitzkrieg.


39 posted on 04/09/2017 10:00:57 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Bull Snipe

What is interesting is that we see the war as ancient times when it is really not that far behind us. We see such war as nearly impossible today but they probably did too.

There was a respect between these men that I wish we had today.


40 posted on 04/09/2017 10:01:04 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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