Posted on 03/25/2017 8:17:08 AM PDT by bboop
Most companies, no matter how big, should dump health care benefits and give each employee a raise in actual salary to equal their current pay.
Companies should continue accident coverage only, and cover all accidents like the Swiss do. In the long run, since most people don’t fake debilitating accidents, it ends up cheaper not having to hire private investigators etc. Swiss companies pay for their employees skiing accidents etc. seems counterintuitive but it is cheaper.
“It doesnt matter to me whether my opinion on this turns out to be right or wrong”
It doesn’t matter what your opinion or my opinion on this is anymore...what matters is Trump’s opinion!!
And it’s clear the the next bill will include moderate Democrats and will not include the Freedom Caucus. He was very clear that he thinks he will get a better bill without them!!
I don’t know why liberals are so mean when people disagree with them. I’m just making the point for interested readers not to invite your nastiness
Conservatives said they didn’t like this bill because it was Obamacare light. It failed. It was Paul Ryan’s bill. Why are people not happy about that? I don’t see trump putting together a repeal and replace that is even more like Obamacare maybe I’m wrong
Maybe Trump hated it as a scrambled together liberal thing that Ryan presented like a late term paper. If so, we needed the freedom caucus to do just what they did
Whatever.
“I’m just making the point for interested readers not to invite your nastiness”
I didn’t think I was being nasty!!You asked for a quote and I gave it you. And I was pointing out what Trump thinks about the FC after giving them 80% of what they wanted. He made it very clear he would rather work with Democrats than FC. And he backed up Paul Ryan pretty forcefully, don’t you think?
I am thinking that Trump sees what I see...that Ted Cruz and Jeff Roe were the reason behind the failure. Ted Cruz had an Op-Ed posted on the Washington Post website 1 hour after they pulled the bill.
If that’s the case then both of us are the losers this week and the only winner id Ted Cruz and his 2020 presidential campaign!!
I noticed an image of the Hindenburg explosion on Drudge’s home page this morning.
I thought they were off base with that.
He did not make it clear he’d rather work with democrats. Not at all. I just watched the video. What I heard him say was the best thing is for Obamacare to explode.
People still don’t see that the press and the dems (including Ryan) are going to hate and blame Trump no matter what. His job is to make that work for us. He’s setting it up as best he can to have the people blaming obama at least somewhat. Obama set it up so that the president 45 would have to deal with the worst of this. Prices will go very high
They would if Ryan’s stupid plan had gone through
Trump says in the video this is the best way for the vote to have turned out. What do people hear him say that they don’t hear that?
Ted Cruz? Oh. We’ve gone way off kilter
Yep. This.
“He did not make it clear he’d rather work with democrats. Not at all. I just watched the video. “
You’re watching a video, but you didn’t read the article I sent you?
“Trump says in the video this is the best way for the vote to have turned out.”
And you think this means he wanted the vote to fail??? Come on...you don’t really beleive that do you?
And do you know why he is saying this...because now it give him the hall-pass to deal with the Democrats on the bill...a bipartisan bill!!...with no Freedom Caucus influence..
For a President..there is only one thing that is better than getting a bill passed and that is getting it passed with bipartisan support.
it is a catastrophe for the pub party to stop constructive legislation....
I never thought of Drudge as conservative....I think of him as a much needed rabble rouser who is not afraid to put the truth out there....
I have to go soon, but before I do, just so you know I didn’t mean to be nasty...I’m really not trying to be, it’s just the way I talk politics...so on that note I do apologize if you felt that way.
ps: Yes Ted Cruz is working on his 2020 campaign...take that to the bank!!
The most important question for Republicans now is whether the members of the Freedom Caucus will find themselves newly emboldened in ways that may bring the new president more defeats — or whether Mr. Ryan will do what former Speaker John A. Boehner could not, and find a way to shred their influence for good.
“If you are defined by your opposition to leadership, it’s hard to be part of a governing coalition,” said Alex Conant, a onetime aide to Senator Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican who was once a Tea Party star. “Their opposition to Trump’s health care bill should surprise nobody who’s paid attention for the last six years. Even the world’s best negotiator can’t make a deal with someone who never compromises.”
But the Freedom Caucus has never been about compromise. In 2011, it picked a huge, costly fight over Planned Parenthood. In 2013, it orchestrated a government shutdown over funding for the health care law. Then, in its most striking move, it deposed Mr. Boehner in 2015. The common thread: It has continuously been an adversary of legislation itself.
But after years of opposing power — both in the White House, which was occupied by a Democrat, and in the leadership of their own party — the conservatives were offered a chance to negotiate directly with the president and his budget director, a former Freedom Caucus member, over the bill to replace the Affordable Care Act. The members pushed and pushed Mr. Trump to the far right edges of policy, just as they have done for years on other bills. But they still could not get to “yes,” and therefore became part owners of the expansive health law they were trying to undo.
“They made the perfect the enemy of the good,” said Representative Roger Marshall, Republican of Kansas. “I don’t know how they can go back home and tell people they voted to keep Obamacare, voted to keep funding Planned Parenthood.”
Indeed, members of the Freedom Caucus — which is supported by outside conservative groups — have often claimed the mantle of pure conservatism, but their tactics have been seen by many in their party as uniformly counterproductive.
Time after time, they undermined Republican leaders’ efforts to secure wins for the conservative cause by overreaching and demanding the impossible.
They have anointed Representative Mark Meadows of North Carolina as their leader and principal spokesman. But they occasionally get help from three senators sympathetic to their cause: Ted Cruz of Texas, Rand Paul of Kentucky and Mike Lee of Utah.
At critical times, House conservatives have forced their party to make deals with Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leader — an idea anathema to most Republicans, who would seethe.
This time, by negotiating with Mr. Trump on the complex issue of health care, a measure whose complexity he did not seem to fully grasp, they moved an already contentious bill further and further to the right, eliminating too many benefits to keep moderate and other conservative members on board. Even Mr. Trump was said to be taken aback by their attempts to remove things Republicans have long promised to keep, like health insurance benefits for children up to 26 years old.
Given that the House and Senate majorities were built on a promise to repeal and replace Mr. Obama’s signature health care law, many lawmakers fear electoral repercussions. “It is painfully ironic that members from safe, conservative congressional districts who can’t ever quite seem to get to ‘yes’ make it harder to enact good, conservative public policy like repealing Obamacare,” said Michael Steel, a Republican strategist and former aide to Mr. Boehner.
This thing smacked of Lucy enticing Charlie Brown to kick the football.
Except this time the ball was never hiked to Lucy.
No hike, no ball and no vote!
I’m also glad the health bill went down. Seems like Drudge is too. What if, instead of calling it Trump’s disaster, he just was positive and said, “Well done/ good it’s gone/ let’s regroup.” Just that.
Once more into the breach, the new lib talking point is
24M would have been de-insuranced by the reworking of Marxist-Muslim care and I am only interested in how the left arrived at that number and what the real effect would have been, not just their warped take.
Inquisitive people want to review what the media parrot to them and refute it if possible.
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