Posted on 03/25/2017 8:17:08 AM PDT by bboop
I think it would have been a good idea for Ryan and the GOPe to get conservatives on board before ever moving forward with it. Ryan and the GOPe are the idiots.
Everyone bleating “repeal!” isn’t saying what will be done
to a) make the premiums and costs actually go down re competition and
b) explain how people who are benefited by 0care, whatever #
that is will be impacted
I agree. There is no way for us to pretend this is a good thing for the Trump Administration. It looks like a Clusterfk or Republican civil war. No one wants to negotiate. Maybe all will appear differently in a few weeks.
We are needing some ‘Wins’, and needing them soon. I don’t know how any tax changes will go, if they are proposed at all. If I see big personnel changes, such as Ryan being quickly replaced, I will be encouraged. I’m very concerned that dangerous leeches such as Comey and his henchmen are still in charge of the FBI, when so many have publicly expressed their hatred for this president.
Matt is doing us a favor by occasionally kicking this administration in the ass, and making them at least react to certain concerns of the general public, if not resolve them.
It was Matt Drudge who made and continues to make a big deal about the missing tax cuts; like where the hell are they?
I don’t know who to replace Ryan with. Newt is too spontaneous and burnt out. Gulianni is too old. I’ve thought of Bannon, but I don’t see him as a Management type.
Bannon is more a rowdy back bencher, who guilds by proxy.
I could be fully wrong. Priebus has strategic knowledge, but seems too weak for that Speaker role.
I guess Mitt is out of the question?
Proves beyond a shadow of a doubt to even the dullest among us who hadn't already figured it out that our Government in DC is PROFOUNDLY broken and can only perpetuate itself, grow larger, never provide solutions, and only cause problems.
It's time for Trump to stop the nonsense and start ruling like a combination of Lincoln/Pinochet on steroids.
This is a National Emergency.
Trump backing Ryan and that GOPe Corporate handout Healthcare, deserved an ‘Humiliating” defeat.
Drudge cannot and won’t make every day a “feel good” day for Trump over the next four years. But when the money is on the line, he’s squarely in the corner of conservatives. And that may be part of the issue. This healthcare bill isn’t conservative.
I haven’t heard anyone say this yet, which is why it will show up ten times in previous writings after I’ve typed it, but Ryancare was Trump’s Bay of Pigs, his stupid move at the beginning of his Presidency. He either learns from it and plays out the remainder of his administration well, or reels from it and becomes the last gasp before the final instituting of American socialism. I pray for the former.
Great generals had defeats. I’m not even sure this is a defeat for Trump. Only time will tell.
“For the love of God, they don’t have 60 votes to do that. Meanwhile Obamacare stays in place.”
Please stop bullshitting me. How come they could send the repeal bills to Obama 6 times just to veto, but can’t do the same now that Trump is the prez. Just stop with lies. REPEAL!
Now the Freedom Caucus conservatives are free to get their superior plan passed through the House and Senate, right?
Who is to blame for the rino Ryan care disaster. President Trump or Speaker Ryan of Ryan Care lite? I blame the Ryan supporting rino moderates of Congress who are so evil as to not support the original plan of repealing without replacing obamacare . Are they taking bribes, is what I wonder.
The hate filled dem Congress passed health care and obamanaiton signed it into law. Rinos of this Congress love the evil government run health care as it lines their evil pockets,.The conservative coalition of Congress are the good guys and so very few in number now days, those who did not support the evil health care plan that the idiot Ryan wanted. President Trump needs to work with the conservatives who would not vote for rino ryan care, aka, obamacare lite. I am glad they failed to pass this horrible bill, repeal Obamancare fully and do not replace it with government subsidized benefiting insurance companies and return healthcare to the capitalists only and it will work.
“Everyone bleating “repeal!” isn’t saying what will be done
to a) make the premiums and costs actually go down re competition and
b) explain how people who are benefited by 0care, whatever #
that is will be impacted”
Just yearning for socialism, aren’t you?
First of all, it isn’t gubmint job to ensure premium goes up or down. The free market decides. Eventually, free competition ensures true fair prices.
Regarding the freeloaders impacted by the repeal — that is the point. No more healthcare on taxpayers’ dime. Buy your own or do something to improve your health. You can’t throw money at problems. They need to get their fat asses and improve their own health.
I was saying same thing on Reddit the other day. His narrative has been extremely negative towards Trump.
This was not an attempt to repeal or replace, it was a rearranging of Obamacare which would have resulted in it being called Trumpcare and still failing, but with Trump and the GOP taking the blame.
The Uniparty eunuchs had no intention of reducing the power that Fedzilla acquired from Obamacare.
They are the attendants of Fedzilla, not representatives of the citizens.
[...not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing.”]
Like a virus, it is catching unless you are inoculated with the truth of God in Christ Jesus. All others fail as they are of the world.
I agree with you. It’s unnecessary to ‘buzz’ like the libs do.
Lots of freepers wanted to make a run at that football.
They wanted to wrap Obamacare around our necks with a name change and a rearranging of it.
Well said. Repeal and do not replace and health care will recover. The original worked well and then DC dems wreaked it. The people suffer while the dem-rino coalition thrives on taxpayers backs. Horrible place, DC is truly a swamp of criminals.
It’s not that Republicans can’t repeal or replace Obamacare, it’s that they have no desire or intention to do so! Just like they have no desire to cut spending or control the border!
It seems that everyone has a different spin on it being taken off the table. I was surprised that multiple NEWSMAX articles were very pro-Ryan and anti-Trump.
My spin is that we are in new territory.
No longer can Obama be blamed. The media will make trying to blame Obama sound worse than when Dems blamed Bush for everything.
Ryan cannot be blamed as there is no Ryancare.
Trump cannot be blamed as there is no Trumpcare.
The Freedom Caucus cannot be blamed as there is no Repeal.
But some teams are left with the ball.
Tom Price and Seema Verma have massive power to change and abolish regulations. They can give massive waivers to the states for Medicaid, Kidcare, WIC, TANF and the many HHS programs.
Assuming Price and Verma are smart:
States have the opportunity to take new initiatives. They no longer have to dance to Slavitt’s tune.
Insurance companies can experiment.
Hospitals, Doctors, can experiment as with direct care that totally bypasses insurance companies.
Medical Sharing plans that are not insurance have the freedom to expand without fear of Obama wasting all their money in court battles.
Voluntary Charity from Wounded Warriors to the Shriners and hospitals run by religious groups should have more freedom to raise money and spend it the way they wish. Protections from fraud and use of non-profit money to line fund raisers pockets, yes. But not beyond that.
And
Congress still has the opportunity to fix parts of the system. The Ryancare bill put the cart before the horse. That was its major problem.
There needs to be Tort Reform. De-Regulation needs to go beyond what Price-Verma can do. Currently much government funding is earmarked for specific diseases and programs based on who has the best lobbyist... So much of the big health grants for research and HIV and Autism and every special interest does not go to solve the problem. The money goes to the lobbyist industry, and to design the health programs to get the money, not to heal the patient.
Indeed, under the current system, the customer of the Insurance Companies is HHS. The customer of the Hospital and doctor is HHS, not the patient. The patient is just a widget in the production process to get HHS money.
The states that manage Medicaid, Kidcare, WIC, TANF, etc have no incentive to consider what is best use of taxpayer money. They have no incentive to consider what is best for the Medicaid member.
Who is the customer? That is the change that must be made regardless of anything else.
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