Posted on 03/11/2017 6:12:54 AM PST by Dutch Observer
Good news out of Holland -
we won't support Uncle Erdolf in finishing his effort to turn Turkey into an islamofascist state.
Skol
Why does Holland care about Turkey? Do they have many trade relations in common, as in crude oil or certain foods?
Thanks to you, guys! -
there is more to it than the story implies. The phrasing in this article is reluctant.
Actually, we do have one party striving to worm its way into our Parliament, coming Wednesday, that is by far the sliest newcomer I’ve ever seen.
On the surface, they claim to be ‘against discrimination’, ‘defend all minorities’, and also: ‘stand up for the interests of the Turkish in Holland’.
Which seems to be moderate (taking into account that they also purport to be democratic, with all their hearts).
And this is a blatant lie.
They are hugely pro-Erdogan. Theirs is a tyrannical hidden agenda. Any aspiring member gets as the first lessons: Erdogan is infallible, and the mass killings of the Armenians did not take place as described in historical accounts.
What they actually are striving for: that all Turkish people, that got a high and profitable education in Holland over the past decades, shall campaign for Islamfascism in our country and the rest of Europe.
IMHO these developments cannot be overestimated in importance.
And that is why this day is a good day.
(In fact: I did a survey of some quality German papers today. Their, and their readers’ comments, unanimously applaud the Dutch Goverment, and berate the lack of courage of their own leaders.)
Good question, hard to give a succinct reply -
Holland and Turkey do have a close relationship, but not in economic terms.
In the ‘60s to ‘80s (roughly), many people from Turkey came to Holland. We had good growth, and no unemployment to speak of. These folks were called: ‘guest labourers’.
Mind: they were known for their modesty, their very good work ethic, and they weren’t politically active.
Their children were raise as Dutchmen, and were in effect Dutch with a Dutch passport (actually, they had two nationalities).
These kids had all the entitlements: got study grants (which were very decent), and they got accultured - up to a point.
Now, it’s hard to judge them with the benefit of hindsight - I mean, no one then could envisage the situation 2017 A.D.
Then, Turkey seemed to be, or become, a western-style democracy, with a separation between church and state, as Kemal Ataturk had wanted it.
Then things went awry. Turkey slid backward, in unforeseeable ways. It has messed up bigtime in relation to Syria, the Kurds, and even IS.
And something ugly proved to have been going on behind the scenes: those children of the first generation Turkisch guest labourers turned out to be supporters of islam totalitarianism.
I first couldn’t believe what I saw.
They appeared in TV shows, sly and superficially charming people, with an overwhelmingly majority of males, participating ‘friendly and tolerant and liberal’ in all discussions - and they were, and are true masters of evading the central questions.
And now they firmly support dictator Erdolf.
Very, very frightening, I tells ya.
(I wrote this off of the top of my head; but I thing the big picture in it is OK.)
Thank you. That explains the connection. As you stated, it’s far more than just an economic bond. It’s a clash of cultures no one would have predicted back then. The second generation Somalis are imposing the same struggle upon communities here in the states.
bttt
What you have seen in the Netherlands, has been seen across the West, and across the Islamic world.
Formerly peaceful muslim communities have been radicalized.
I would point you to the influence of Saudi Arabia, and their State Religion of Wahabbi islam, as the source of that subversion.
Since they became rich on oil (especially after the 1973 oil price shock), they have spent over $100 billion on a deliberate program to promote their (formerly) extreme fringe doctrines - changing the face of Sunni islam across the world.
They built mosques (most of the mosques in the West) and madrassas, they trained and paid imams, printed the textbooks, and established the advocacy organizations.
Peaceful muslim citizens were lured into sending their children to these nice new mosques for religious education, and language classes (so the kids could talk to Grandma, and would not embarrass them by being unable to perform basic prayers and such). The education (indoctrination) that they got was very different from what previous generations got, and they were groomed by embedded recruiters for the terrorist organizations which the Saudis also (covertly) funded. These Saudi mosques in dozens of countries send a monthly flow of about 1,000 recruits off to wherever the violent jihad happens to be, with more than 100 ready to be suicide bombers.
All of the large Sunni terrorist and subversive organizations adhere to the same (formerly smallest) school of islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), the Hanbali School - just like the Saudis. ISIS, alQueda, Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood, al Shabaab, and Boko Haram all adhere to the Saudi-approved Sharia interpretations. ISIS and al Queda are strict Wahabbis across the the board.
The Wahabbis use very strict rules for interpreting islam, which inevitably lead to the conclusion of mandatory conquest of the whole human race (by virtually any means) to impose islamic dictatorship. Their essential rules are to allow only strict literal, fundamentalist reading (no moral or rational judgement is allowed to vary) of just three specific texts (Quran, Hadith, Sira), and that later verses in the Quran (arbitrarily) abrogate (replace) any earlier ones, where ever they conflict (as they often do).
Since Muhammad became increasingly brutal and totalitarian as he ammassed political and military power, the later verses are consistently more brutal and totalitarian as well. By the time of his poisoning by his successor Abu Bakr, Muhammad was a full-blown megalomaniac, declaring that he had been called to fight until all men accept Allah (submit), and that other religions should not be tolerated at all (his last words reputedly included that there should not be two religions in Arabia. Using Wahabbi rules, you exclude all but the most aggressive and totalitarian possible interpretation of islam. Essentially, it totally co-opts religion and spirituality into a politco-military doctrine of conquest and oppression.
That extreme doctrine (which promotes violence, and overthrow of other legal systems) should be outlawed and uprooted at least as aggressively as Nazism.
Also, be familiar with the doctrine of taqiyyah, by which it is permitted for muslims to deceive non-muslims to protect oneself, or advance the cause of islam. Organizations have been established with the principle purpose of doing just that in the West. I imagine that they have them in the Netherlands, just as we have CAIR in the USA. The Muslim Brotherhood has been the world leaders in organizing such subversive organizations - with initial funding from from Gulf Arabs, later subsidized from fundraising among immigrant communities, and the public treasury (thanks to corrupting politicians). In fact, co-opting politicians and parties (with bribes, ideology, and/or votes) has been among their most successful approaches to misleading the Western public as to their intentions.
SUPPRISE..!! not.....
Your not by yourself.... It’s going to come back to bite ALL of us... You’ll see.
Thanks BeauBo for your long and well-worded reply; I really can use this one right now.
I will return later in the day (it being 1 PM now in Holland, and I’ve got work to do).
Best, DO.
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