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How dangerous is the EMF from cordless phones and routers for pets?
1/31/17 | Me, myself, & I

Posted on 01/31/2017 6:59:21 AM PST by EinNYC

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To: backwoods-engineer

Thank you for actual facts. I don’t worry about EMF exposure on our dog, but my kids have been around it since they were babies.

Every once in awhile I wonder if I should be concerned, but have to push that thought away because what could I possibly do to limit their exposure?

Anyway, it’s a relief to have read your post.


41 posted on 01/31/2017 8:34:35 AM PST by NorthstarMom
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To: RFEngineer
I’m an engineer, not a doctor, however, there is no known mechanism by which RF energy damages DNA - tissue heating is the only known provable effect, and that doesn’t hurt DNA.

Sure it will (the technical term for that is "cooking"), but you need a lot more RF at microwave frequences than a wi-fi router can put out. If it raises your tissue temperature by a 1/30th of a degree F., you're right; that's not going to have any physiological effect. A mild fever is far hotter.

42 posted on 01/31/2017 8:38:14 AM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: EinNYC

Pets have routers?


43 posted on 01/31/2017 8:38:25 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Pets have routers?

How else would they know where to "go"?

44 posted on 01/31/2017 8:41:43 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Ha!


45 posted on 01/31/2017 8:43:46 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: oh8eleven
During WWII, and long afterward, science "experts" were surprised to discover all the damage done to those exposed to atomic bombs.

The energy of a photon is proportional to frequency. Gamma-ray frequencies are 10^10 higher than microwave frequencies (that's one, followed by 10 zeroes!). Microwave frequencies correspond to rotational frequencies of molecules, which means that all they can do is heat molecules up if they happen to have the right frequency (that's how a microwave oven works).

Gamma ray photons have energies sufficient to break and rearrange chemical bonds in random and harmful ways. They can shake-and-bake DNA, which can cause cells to die or become cancerous, etc.

46 posted on 01/31/2017 8:44:07 AM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Paladin2
I always laugh when women wear pink breast cancer advocacy ribbons, yet place a three watt transceiver cell phone in their bra?

Americans have to be the dumbest upright critters on this earth.

47 posted on 01/31/2017 8:49:42 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Paladin2
A "cordless phone"?

You mean I should get a new one?

48 posted on 01/31/2017 8:54:29 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: shhrubbery!
Lighten up, Francis. Radio waves (EMR), which includes microwaves are non-ionizing, which don't destroy DNA. Yes, they can burn flesh at a certain intensity, but are harmless on the radio/tv spectrum, and every low watt device people use daily.

Examples of non-ionizing EM radiation include radio ( RF ) waves, extremely low frequency ( ELF ) fields, infrared ( IR ), visible light, and UV. These forms of EM energy are generally not dangerous, with some exceptions: high-energy radio microwaves and IR which can cause destructive heating of biological tissue; intense visible light which can cause blindness; and intense UV which can cause blindness and superficial skin burns in high doses over a short period of time, and skin cancer and cataracts of the eye at lower doses over long periods of time.

You and others can either listen to the engineers on this thread or take my advice above about Faraday suits and bedrock bunkers. If not within your budget, Reynolds still makes tin foil. Have nice day and remember to smell the flowers while they're still there. Photons are your friend.

49 posted on 01/31/2017 9:01:36 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: EinNYC; Paladin2
" It’s like putting the cat in the microwave...

Not even remotely funny. If you want to act like an a_____e, please go somewhere else. 

One unknown side effect of too much RF is a diminished sense of humor.....stay away from your microwave one year!

50 posted on 01/31/2017 9:01:38 AM PST by crazy scenario (We can't take you anywhere)
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To: Campion

Thx ...


51 posted on 01/31/2017 9:02:51 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: crazy scenario
One unknown side effect of too much RF is a diminished sense of humor.....stay away from your microwave one year!

There have been documented cases of animal cruelty where people put small dogs or cats into microwaves. In some cases, it was a naive old lady who didn't realize the harm and was only trying to dry off her wet dog. In another case, it was a vicious black teenage girl who bragged about putting a tiny kitten into a microwave on purpose to kill it. The agony that these animals had to have gone through is no laughing matter at all. There is nothing wrong with my sense of humor, but there seems to be something wrong with your callousness.

52 posted on 01/31/2017 9:06:17 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: backwoods-engineer
"Please don't listen to the EMF paranoids. RF waves are NOT ionizing radiation, despite the hysteria."

Are you sure? Have you checked your back recently for a new toe growing?

53 posted on 01/31/2017 9:08:58 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: crazy scenario

The frequency of microwave ovens and Wifi are often the same. Only the energy density is different. So, it’s very similar.


54 posted on 01/31/2017 9:19:43 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: RFEngineer
"I generally don’t recommend running gas-powered Wi-Fi."

Lol! My point was to run the 100 wifi routers on electricity. Yeah, I know the electric bill would go up. Still, was my math correct? I think I shorted by a 1000 fold. What say you? My office router is about 75 degrees by feel.

Love engineers who have built the world, unlike theoretical physicists who spend their day on white boards thinking they have the Universe figured out. String Theory is defunct; dark matter and dark energy are still a math problem they can't work out - all speculation. Engineers build stuff.

55 posted on 01/31/2017 9:27:53 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: A Navy Vet

I can’t see my wireless router when I’m nuking my stoeffers for lunch. Frequencies can be shared.


56 posted on 01/31/2017 9:29:12 AM PST by rhoda_penmark
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To: EinNYC

OH!
57 posted on 01/31/2017 9:31:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Joe 6-pack
"but now he mostly just wants to lay on my bed all day."

Doncha love it? I do.

58 posted on 01/31/2017 9:31:46 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: EinNYC

someone has too much time on their hands...


59 posted on 01/31/2017 9:32:44 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
"Schrödinger has no sense of smell."

Killing me. I thought of that also when I first heard the hypothesis. Also thought...what?...no meows or sounds from the box? Soft kitty, warm kitty, little bag of fur...dead.

60 posted on 01/31/2017 9:37:02 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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