Posted on 12/20/2016 4:20:26 PM PST by SkyPilot
Well, how did they know his intent? Seems like when someone starts shouting Allah Akbar, a bomb or gun goes off. In this case, he was only being disruptive but do you want to assume that when he’s standing next to your kid?
Having said that and picturing the situation, it would seem impossible to get a shot off without the risk of hitting bystanders.
What I was left wondering, is why no one confronted him before he jumped on the stage. He most certainly looked out of place. But I guess Austrians are too PC to walk up to a black guy and say, “Who are you? Why are you here?”
P.S. Who cares what the “world” thinks about us? They don’t seem to mind the violence the muslims are doing. They haven’t lifted a finger towards that issue, so I don’t think they’ll get off their fat lazy butts to do anything to us if we fight back. Besides, we can lick those lazy cowards anyway.
Perhaps you are not paying attention.
Islam is not only a repressive and brutal "religion", it is an extremely violent one. No one is off limits to their brutality.
Even the Mafia has certain rules of restraint. The Muslims do not.
Moreover, in the last year, the world has been witness to savage, brutal, horrific attacks.
Anyone yelling "Allah is Greater (than your Judeo-Christian God)" is, by both proven action and by hard evidence, a very probably mass murderer.
This guy did exactly that, in front of defenseless children.
At my church, we have to have very tight security. Just a few years ago, this would have been unheard of.
Furthermore, God has not ordained that his sheep be sent to the slaughter, and God allows for self defense:
"Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked."
Proverbs 25:26
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"Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers to fight."
Psalm 144:1
This is a “man bites dog” story. The usual situation involves young Christian men going into Mosques uninvited, interrupting Muslim prayers to read verses from the New Testament.
Oh, wait a minute; come to think of it, I’ve never heard of a young Christian man “invading” a Mosque and disrupting procedures. But Muslims disrupting Christians is no at all unusual. At least this particular Muzzie did not kill anyone -— THIS TIME.
Limp wristed euroweenies don’t know what horror is......yet
> P.S. Who cares what the “world” thinks about us?
I’m not a pacifist. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, though, and that religion is aggressively expanding. Persons who don’t wish them to dominate the world are going to need to gain a lot more support — from the billions of other persons in the world — than they can get from a few persons posting on Free Republic threads. Those non-Muslim billions need to be convinced that it’s the Islamists who are the greater threat. (And convincing non-Islamist Muslims wouldn’t hurt either.)
It’s not just a matter of talk, of course. Violence. in my opinion, needs to be met with violence, overwhelming violence. Meeting non-violence with violence, though, just helps the other side.
“I think all 1.6 Billion of them have mental illness....and are under the influence of Lucifer.”
Plus centuries of interbreeding doesn’t help either.
Does the name “SkyPilot” mean that you are a preacher, piloting people to heaven? (Don’t answer if you’d prefer not to reveal personal information?)
I notice that you’ve come up with some rather obscure quotations from the Bible (the Old Testament). Though I think a good argument can be made for Christians resorting to self-defense and to war too when justified, if you are at all familiar with the Bible, you must know that there are some very conspicuous — and repeated — statements by Jesus himself that seem to support non-violent responses (even to violence itself, not to mention something lesser). The idea that some Pharisee, for instance, would try to oppose Jesus, and that Jesus’s followers would draw their swords and hack him to death is clearly inconsistent with the spirit of the gospels.
We’re not talking about a violent attack here, just a person interrupting a Christian event and trying to proselytize for something else. To kill him or beat him up would be acting like savages.
No, Air Force pilot.
I notice that you’ve come up with some rather obscure quotations from the Bible (the Old Testament).
Hold it right there. "Obscure?"
Who in the Sam Hill do you think you are to characterize God's Word that way.
Let me give you another "obscure" verse:
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."
2 Timothy 3:16
To kill him or beat him up would be acting like savages.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything of the kind on this thread. Go read my posts.
And don't try to deflect now and say that "other posters did" or something to that effect. If you have something to say, say it to individual posters here. It is quite easy. It is called the "reply" button.
Moreover, I believe that a Muslim man storming the stage where innocent small children are performing a Christian play, who reaches into a bag and starts shouting "Allahu Akbar!" is an overt, hostile act. Especially in the wake of two Russian diplomats being gunned down the previous day, a maniac driving through a Christmas market in Berlin, the German Minister declaring they are in a "State of War!" from neighboring Germany, an on an on. And I state again, that shouting "My Allah is Greater than Your God!" is used as not only a preparatory scream before and during mass murders by Muslims, they also shout it afterwords. It is a war cry.
I also agree with the poster who said this was most likely a test - to see how lax security really was. Next time, the children could be slaughtered.
And another thing GJones2 - do you have any experience dealing with split second decisions regarding life or death? I am not talking about turning right on red into traffic, I am talking about the decisions that police, military, and others have to make and have had to make.
This scenario was one of those. Since it is Austria, none of the adults in the room were armed. If this had happened in Texas or Arizona, and one of the parents shot this Muslim stormer, I believe they would have been entirely justified.
He overtly threatened those children and everyone in that room. And if you refuse to believe that, that is your prerogative.
> Anyone yelling “Allah is Greater (than your Judeo-Christian God)” is, by both proven action and by hard evidence, a very probably mass murderer.
> And I state again, that shouting “My Allah is Greater than Your God!” is used as not only a preparatory scream before and during mass murders by Muslims, they also shout it afterwords. It is a war cry.
As far as I know, “Allahu Akbar” means “God is great” in Arabic — or “Allah is great” if you don’t wish to translate “Allah” — and I imagine many millions of Muslims say it without killing anyone, and many thousands yell it (maybe hundreds of thousands). Of course, we’re more aware of the instances in which it accompanies a news-making terrorist attack, but in this instance the guy wasn’t about to kill anyone. Merely yelling it shouldn’t be grounds for being shot.
> “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.”
Well, what about “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”? That was said by Jesus himself. [Matthew 5:38]
> ...do you have any experience dealing with split second decisions regarding life or death?
I’ve served in the military. I’ve also had to make split-second decisions regarding life or death — very few, thankfully — and I’m still alive. Under the circumstances described, I wouldn’t have shot unless I saw him actually draw a weapon. If I’d previously told him not to move or to raise his hands, and he’d reached into the bag, I might have shot. Still, I think I’d have waited at least until I got a glimpse of what I thought was a weapon. Anyway, that’s not the situation that was described.
> ...Air Force pilot.
A respectable and much needed profession. That makes your religious position a bit easier to excuse. :-)
> I also agree with the poster who said this was most likely a test - to see how lax security really was.
Few churches have good security. There’s no need to test them (that one will just be more careful now). The same goes for many other events of moderate size. Even the ones that have guards can be attacked simply by shooting the guards first. You need concealed weapons — or very good exterior controls — to be effective against mass shootings.
“I’ve never heard of a young Christian man “invading” a Mosque and disrupting procedures.”
Well, I’m not young but otherwise volunteer for the assignment.
To kill or be killed in the name of Allah, so the obvious remedy is to first recognize it, calling it by it's proper name, something Obama could not bring himself to do and then kill it.
You are wrong on that:
Thank you for your service, and that is a fair answer.
What perplexes me is that this part of your post in incongruent with the rest of your thoughts on this matter.
Two points:
1. More and more churches are forced to have tighter security. In ours, the exits are manned by off duty police. Every usher now has security training. Churches are being targeted.
2. Terrorists do test runs all the time. The 911 hijackers did several. The Islamic terrorists do intelligence and test runs all the time to determine soft and softer target. This point is not even open to debate.
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