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Question: Did anyone here attend est training?
YouTube ^ | 1970s | Wernehr Erhard

Posted on 12/01/2016 5:57:49 PM PST by Steely Tom

Did anyone here at Free Republic ever attend Erhard Seminars Training, back in the 1970s? Did anyone know another person who did?

If so, do you have any observations to share about the experience? Did it have any lasting influence over you?

Was it just an exercise in groupthink? Erhard certainly seemed to think he was on to something.


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He must have been a fantastically good salesman. Was it all smoke and mirrors?
1 posted on 12/01/2016 5:57:49 PM PST by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

No, and I wasn’t there.


2 posted on 12/01/2016 5:59:05 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Steely Tom

I did, but I got up to go to the bathroom and they didn’t let me in. (If you get this, then you have been there).)


3 posted on 12/01/2016 6:00:16 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Steely Tom

Go watch the movie “Semi-Tough”! Even though its satire you will learn all you need to know about EST training.


4 posted on 12/01/2016 6:00:28 PM PST by Reily
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To: morphing libertarian

Ah yes, the whole bathroom thing. Was that a major part of it?


5 posted on 12/01/2016 6:01:36 PM PST by Steely Tom ([VOTE FRAUD] == [CIVIL WAR])
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Go watch the movie “Semi-Tough”! Even though its satire you will learn all you need to know about EST training.

Thanks, I didn't know that. I'd heard of the movie, but have never seen it.

6 posted on 12/01/2016 6:02:20 PM PST by Steely Tom ([VOTE FRAUD] == [CIVIL WAR])
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To: morphing libertarian

I not only did est, I did some “grad” courses. The two most important things I left with were that I was responsible for making my life the mess it was and that being a “victim” was a choice. A couple of these tenets of being an adult would be very helpful to some of these “snowflakes” on campus today. I also remember getting “it”—a memory I had forgotten until tonight.


7 posted on 12/01/2016 6:03:01 PM PST by MHT (,`)
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To: Steely Tom

It’s also a very funny movie!


8 posted on 12/01/2016 6:03:18 PM PST by Reily
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No, but I had Six Sigma training at GE and that was all smoke and mirrors, too.


9 posted on 12/01/2016 6:03:48 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen means born here of citizen parents)
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"Go watch the movie “Semi-Tough”!"

Ha! First thing that came to my mind.
I'm thinking, Burt Reynolds, Kris Kristofferson. Wasn't Jill Clayburgh in it, too?

The younger folk wouldn't get it - just us old farts from the 60's/70's.

10 posted on 12/01/2016 6:04:46 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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No, but I had Six Sigma training at GE and that was all smoke and mirrors, too.

I've got my A-course certificate! Not smoke and mirrors.

11 posted on 12/01/2016 6:04:58 PM PST by Steely Tom ([VOTE FRAUD] == [CIVIL WAR])
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Great movie, sends up the theraputic culture of the 70’s perfectly.

Pelfing was the best part.


12 posted on 12/01/2016 6:05:31 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Lurkinanloomin

TQM (Total Quality Management) had more smoke & bigger mirrors!


13 posted on 12/01/2016 6:06:11 PM PST by Reily
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The two most important things I left with were that I was responsible for making my life the mess it was and that being a “victim” was a choice.

This aspect of it is what I'm interested in.

I listened to the (audio only) video that's linked above last night, and some of the things Mr. Erhard said about responsibility and getting over yourself resonated for me, across all the decades.

Did you achieve within yourself any insights that led to improved problem-solving skills? Or was it more fundamental than that, that the problem you learned to solve was your own resistance to problem solving?

14 posted on 12/01/2016 6:09:15 PM PST by Steely Tom ([VOTE FRAUD] == [CIVIL WAR])
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Good friend of mine did EST in San Francisco about 1974. What little he said about it was bizarre, like a secret society on par with Scientology, the Freemasons, the Illuminati, or the Knights Templar. It was like they were going to come and get him if he said anything about it at all.

I never saw what he got out of it, but fortunately, it didn’t seem to change him.

What brings this up in 2016?


15 posted on 12/01/2016 6:09:49 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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Yeah, we did that before Six Sigma and the quality of our appliances went down.


16 posted on 12/01/2016 6:10:42 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen means born here of citizen parents)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

That was part of the sales plan, if they freely divulged what they learned how would they get more suckers, I mean customers, in the door for the seminars?


17 posted on 12/01/2016 6:13:01 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen means born here of citizen parents)
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To: Steely Tom

I believe nowadays it’s called the Landmark Forum.


18 posted on 12/01/2016 6:13:47 PM PST by ransacked
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To: Steely Tom

I went to a Totalled Quality Management seminar once.


19 posted on 12/01/2016 6:13:58 PM PST by kaehurowing
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I never really went. A friend went for 3-4 hours and they were told to suck it up. Then I saw a movie where they wouldn’t let the guy go to the bathroom. So not a direct witness.


20 posted on 12/01/2016 6:14:41 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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