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Breaking: Latest ATF Surprise Could Drive Ammo Prices Through the Roof
Alloutdoor ^ | August 29, 2016 | Jon Stokes

Posted on 08/31/2016 1:00:06 PM PDT by GT Vander

As reported on Ammoland, a sudden ATF rule change promulgated entirely without warning in a newsletter has reclassified a critical component of smokeless powder as a “high explosive”.

The problem is that there are very strict rules governing the storage and transport of high explosives, and the ammunition supply chain is totally unprepared to suddenly comply with those rules.

(Excerpt) Read more at alloutdoor.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; nitrocellulose; reloading; rkba
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Modern powders are/have been classified as "Flammable", Black Powder is considered a "High Explosive" and is far more regulated. If this change in classification stands home reloaders like me are in for a shock where pricing, storage, and home owners insurance is concerned.
1 posted on 08/31/2016 1:00:06 PM PDT by GT Vander
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To: GT Vander

Progressives lay awake in bed all night thinking of infinite little underhanded ways to advance their agenda.


2 posted on 08/31/2016 1:04:41 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GT Vander

Boy, this sure is a tough choice...Hillary or Trump...Hmmm


3 posted on 08/31/2016 1:07:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GT Vander
Modern powders are/have been classified as "Flammable", Black Powder is considered a "High Explosive" and is far more regulated. If this change in classification stands home reloaders like me are in for a shock where pricing, storage, and home owners insurance is concerned.

Yep - used to make my own black powder and it can be mixed and ground fine enough that a spark and it's POOOF!. Smokeless powders have a more controlled burn.

4 posted on 08/31/2016 1:07:43 PM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: GT Vander

The military, police, and feds will have their costs go up, and massive thefts will begin as a huge black market in ammo will begin.
Every unattended police car will be a target, every armory will be a target, every armed police and federal officer alone will be a target.
Hope and Change indeed....


5 posted on 08/31/2016 1:11:28 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org -- http://defcad.org/)
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To: GT Vander

just let me know when it is time to turn in all the ammo i have one bullet at a time...


6 posted on 08/31/2016 1:17:04 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: GT Vander

Guncotton containing more than 13% nitrogen (sometimes called insoluble nitrocellulose) was prepared by prolonged exposure to hot, concentrated acids[11] for limited use as a blasting explosive or for warheads of underwater weapons such as naval mines and torpedoes.[10] Safe and sustained production of guncotton began at the Waltham Abbey Royal Gunpowder Mills in the 1860s, and the material rapidly became the dominant explosive, becoming the standard for military warheads, although it remained too potent to be used as a propellant. More-stable and slower-burning collodion mixtures were eventually prepared using less-concentrated acids at lower temperatures for smokeless powder in firearms. The first practical smokeless powder made from nitrocellulose, for firearms and artillery ammunition, was invented by French chemist Paul Vieille in 1884.


This new rule should not apply to consumer propellants.
Bulk supply and precursors may get hit.


7 posted on 08/31/2016 1:20:08 PM PDT by soycd
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To: GT Vander

There are no reported accidents or thefts related to “wetted nitrocellulose.” So, why the rush to push through a rule with the implications for costs that this one has, with NO warning, NO comment period, etc.? There can be ONLY one reason - to jack up ammo prices.

Anyone who shoots, and certainly anyone who reloads, needs to get up off of your ass and vote for Trump, whether you like the guy and what he’s said about various subjects or not - because Hillary Clinton absolutely WILL NOT change this rule. Donald Trump - again, like him or not - has come out firmly in favor of the 2nd Amendment RKBA, and I believe that it is HIGHLY likely that the BATFE under his leadership WILL rescind this rule. It is not only a matter of the 2nd Amendment, it is a matter of government sticking its regulatory fingers into an area where there is no justification to do so, and vastly increasing the costs to both exercise a basic right and to defend our streets and our shores.


8 posted on 08/31/2016 1:20:36 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: GT Vander

Lowlife scumbags. May be time to stock up on a few thousand more rounds.


9 posted on 08/31/2016 1:27:09 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Progressives lay awake in bed all night thinking of infinite little underhanded ways to advance their agenda.

And then has a fit if there are any abortion rules. So hypocritical of them.


10 posted on 08/31/2016 1:29:50 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: GT Vander

They’re attacking the supply chain.
Much safer & easier than direct confiscation.


11 posted on 08/31/2016 1:33:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: GT Vander

I took a look at USDOT hazardous material classifications.

It appears that the Obama administration has screwed around with them a lot from my time in munitions.

http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/hazmat/placards/class1-chemicals.html#Div1.4


12 posted on 08/31/2016 1:33:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: GT Vander
From the Ammoland article:

"Industry members have relied on the exemption for wetted nitrocellulose for many years and are aware of no accidental detonations or diversion of this product into illicit channels. Consequently, it is unclear why ATF believed it necessary to change its policy...."

The reason is clear to me: the ATF is infested with Bath House loving leftists.

The leftists and statists love poking their sticks in the eyes of their perceived enemies.

One day, their opponents will bloody their noses.

13 posted on 08/31/2016 1:33:47 PM PDT by bkopto
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To: soycd

“Bulk supply and precursors may get hit.”

MAY get hit? That’s the whole d@mn point.


14 posted on 08/31/2016 1:34:43 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: GT Vander; All
Thank you for referencing that article GT Vander. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

”… ATF rule change ..." ???

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

From related threads …

Patriots are reminded of the following. The Founding States had made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide these clauses from Congress (sarc), to clarify that ALL federal legislative / regulatory powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches, or in faceless, non-elected federal bureaucrats like those running the EPA, IRS, FAA, EEOC and ATF as examples.

In other words, Congress has a constitutional “monopoly” on federal legislative powers whether it wants it or not. But by unconstitutionally delegating legislative powers to non-elected bureaucrats, such powers often 10th Amendment-protected state powers which the feds have stolen from the states, corrupt Congress is wrongly protecting such powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of Sections 1-3 mentioned above.

Note that corrupt lawmakers are letting everybody outside the legislative branch get away with stealing and exercising legislative powers, probably so that these bureaucrats can do Congress’s unpopular, unconstitutional legislative work for it. Lawmakers let bureaucrats get away with doing their dirty work for them probably so that lawmakers can keep their voting records clean. And by keeping their votiing records clean, crook lawmakers can fool low-information patriots, patriots who are clueless about the Constitutions division of legislative, executive and judicial powers, into reelecting them.

Remember in November !

Patriots need to support Trump / Pence by also electing a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will not only work within its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to support Trump’s vision for making America great again for everybody, but will also put a stop to unconstitutonal federal taxes and likewise unconstitutional inteference in state affairs.

Note that such a Congress will also probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

15 posted on 08/31/2016 1:39:10 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: GT Vander

People aren’t buying enough ammo. Gotta scare ‘em into it.


16 posted on 08/31/2016 1:46:52 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I’ve been waiting for the buying frenzy to cool off and prices to drop.
Guess I’m on for a long wait.


17 posted on 08/31/2016 1:53:07 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: GT Vander

Everything the government touches it destroys.

Take tank type electric water heaters. From the new efficiency standards passed in 2015, it has effectively doubled the price of an 80 gallon water heater from around 800 to over 1600 dollars due to the requirement of a hybrid heat pump design for electric heaters over 55 gallons.


18 posted on 08/31/2016 1:57:03 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Before this is all over, we’ll be fabricating our own weapons from scratch.


19 posted on 08/31/2016 1:59:59 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: trebb
Kirk, is that you?


20 posted on 08/31/2016 2:03:44 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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