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What if we're wrong? New book poses provocative question about human knowledge
CBS News ^ | August 18, 2016 | JIM MCLAUCHLIN

Posted on 08/19/2016 7:59:16 AM PDT by Leaning Right

Hindsight is 20/20, right? That’s the premise of a new book that poses the question: What if we were wrong?

Chuck Klosterman’s “But What If We’re Wrong?” (Blue Rider Press, 2016) deals with the fact that the great march of history shows us that, well … we’re always wrong. Aristotle had his run as the smartest man on the planet, but he got disproved by Galileo, who was trumped by Newton, until Einstein ruled the roost. And while there have been some hints of “proving Einstein wrong,” nothing has really stuck. But even so, scientific “fact” is a fact only until it’s proved wrong.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: knowledge; science
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The key point Klosterman makes is that there was error in every great idea of the past. Therefore, it is important to be a bit skeptical of all great ideas.

The author does not mention climate change, but that's the thing I thought of immediately. We are not allowed to be skeptical of climate change in the least.

The author does mention that he talked with Neil deGrasse Tyson, one of the leading proponents of climate change. Tyson did not think much of the author's premise. No surprise there.

It is also interesting to note that the author says that we must be skeptical of non-scientific great ideas as well. For example, is modern democracy really the best form of government?

1 posted on 08/19/2016 7:59:16 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

Seems like just a rehash of Kuhn’s ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’.


2 posted on 08/19/2016 8:02:35 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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[We are not allowed to be skeptical of climate change in the least. ]

That’s because its not science. Its a political agenda.


3 posted on 08/19/2016 8:02:56 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Leaning Right

I’ve been making this argument on liberal sites when arguing against AGW and evolutionism. I try to explain that we are in the enlightened modern age, but so were the 60’s at the time, and sow was 1880 at the time.

I ask them, “what do we know now that will turn out to be absolutely wrong?”


4 posted on 08/19/2016 8:04:19 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Leaning Right

For example, is modern democracy really the best form of government?


On its own? No, it ends in socialism, just like all the others. And democracy remains the worst, except for those others. The human urge to spend someone else’s money will never go away.


5 posted on 08/19/2016 8:06:41 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Leaning Right

The problems come about when scientists stop doing science.

If they stick to formulating hypotheses, testing them, and facilitating the ongoing validation and re-testing of the hypotheses, they are doing science.

When they make inferences by analogy or take a position based on scant evidence, they are not doing science.


6 posted on 08/19/2016 8:10:54 AM PDT by oblomov (We have passed the point where "law," properly speaking, has any further application. - C. Thomas)
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is modern democracy really the best form of government?

Calvin liked theocracy.

Hobbes liked monarchy.

7 posted on 08/19/2016 8:12:29 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Leaning Right
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." - Mark Twain
8 posted on 08/19/2016 8:14:34 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Leaning Right

Urban weather stations, asphalt and altered heat absorption profiles of city environments all probably contribute more to localized URBAN HEATING than CO2 could ever DREAM to...


9 posted on 08/19/2016 8:18:03 AM PDT by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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To: Leaning Right

WOW! What great insight! We don’t know everything and we might learn something new in the future.

What’s pathetic is that this captain obvious is being given any attention.


10 posted on 08/19/2016 8:19:20 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: jjotto

First book I had to read in college, and maybe the best.


11 posted on 08/19/2016 8:20:28 AM PDT by nvskibum
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To: sparklite2

The constitution and declaration sum up the best idea man has had for governing. Our CREATOR has made us equal and free. Start with that premise.

And the more human nature is taken into account at every level of government from large (president of a land) to small (dog catcher et al), from phase (introductory excitement and dogooding at the birth of a new country) to phase (a jaded population grown used to corruption), the closer we get to an ideal minimalist gov.

Switzerland is farther along than we are with federalism, for instance. Allow the states MORE freedom with LESS control from the top. All politicians part time, earn very little for their service, all have full time jobs elsewhere. Title of “president” merely a figurehead for a year; country run at the top by seven individuals, rotating year by year which one serves as “president” for meeting world leaders, etc.

More power to the people to “citizens arrest” the leaders. For instance, the ability for the people to have a Party arrested on criminal charges for being corrupt, needing a trial by jury. The ability for the People to have criminal charges brought on the leader for not being eligible: not the crap here where no one was seen to have “standing” to even FIND OUT IF OBAMA HAD EVER HAD A US PASSPORT before the senate handed him one, or discover why he never had a social security number of his own.


12 posted on 08/19/2016 8:25:47 AM PDT by Yaelle (Sorry, Mr. Franklin. We've been extremely careless with our Republic.)
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If course we're wrong but we are hopefully getting closer and closer to the truth.
Newton's theories was better than the ancients, Einstein's was better than Newton's, one day we'll find a theory even better still.
We may NEVER find the exact theory. That should not stop the search.
We learn a lot by just looking.

13 posted on 08/19/2016 8:27:38 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: oblomov

Well put.


14 posted on 08/19/2016 8:29:13 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: aquila48

I believe you missed the author’s point. He’s NOT just saying that great ideas get refined as time passes.

He’s also saying that many people refuse to accept that fact. And that is not a “captain obvious” thing. Even today, many so-called educated people simply accept scientific principles without any question. “Settled science”, if you will.


15 posted on 08/19/2016 8:30:38 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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Galileo, who was trumped by Newton, until Einstein ruled the roost.

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Those are more like improvements rather than proving the previous person wrong. Or one could look at it as the recent champion standing on the shoulders of giants.


16 posted on 08/19/2016 8:34:14 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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That’s not what I got out of it. He’s not talking about the ignorant, lazy low information person, but society in general, that even the learned, wise ones somehow believe that we know everything, or that everything we “know” is the final word.

Obviously you don’t think so, neither do I, and neither does anyone I know. So who is he trying to enlighten with his profound observation?


17 posted on 08/19/2016 8:41:25 AM PDT by aquila48
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Those are more like improvements rather than proving the previous person wrong. Or one could look at it as the recent champion standing on the shoulders of giants.

Right you are. And that was my only disagreement with the author's thesis. Newton refined Galileo's work. And Einstein refined Newton's.

In fact, it could be argued that Newton wasn't all that "wrong" anyway. His work was a very good approximation under most conditions.

18 posted on 08/19/2016 8:42:33 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: aquila48

For millennia, humans used faith as a guide to understanding the world. Even pagans and heathens had folktales that warned of the many consequences of hubris.

Shorn of religion in a world of material comforts, many people will not have the courage to accept the full measure of what skepticism means in a secular context. Hume, Kant, and Nietzsche understood, but their standards were a bit higher than those of modern self-worshipers.


19 posted on 08/19/2016 8:47:36 AM PDT by oblomov (We have passed the point where "law," properly speaking, has any further application. - C. Thomas)
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To: Yaelle

” Our CREATOR has made us equal and free.”

The equal part is the biggest BS perpetrated on people and the biggest cause of human problems. It is patently obvious we are NOT equal.

If anything God made us all different, and thank God for that!


20 posted on 08/19/2016 8:48:46 AM PDT by aquila48
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