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Win 10 Anniversary: 'We're beginning to check in final code' says Microsoft (July 29 countdown)
The Register ^ | Jul 8, 2016 | Tim Anderson

Posted on 07/10/2016 8:08:28 AM PDT by dayglored

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To: Windflier
>> “Microsoft WILL eventually get everybody onto Windows 10.”

> I don’t like that sort of talk, and I don’t like being treated like some kind of subservient slave unit. In my view, Microsoft is being heavyhanded and un-American in their approach to the public. They handled this whole transition wrong, in my opinion. They should have offered their customers more choice - not less. I would gladly pay an annual subscription fee to keep getting Windows 7 updates after 2020, but they don’t offer that choice to consumers who don’t want Windows 10. They’re going to force me to stop doing business with them, even though I’ve been a satisfied customer since 1998. Sadly, it’s always been about force with that company. It’s their answer to everything.

I don't like it either -- I'm just reporting what they say they're aiming for.

And they'll get there, my guess is 2021. Win7 goes end-of-life no-more-updates in Jan 2020. And by then no one will be running Win8.

And I predict (not an original prediction but I agree with it) that Microsoft will drop the "10" and it will just be "Windows" within a few years.

21 posted on 07/10/2016 9:21:37 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

I have I DRIVE ..
Spose I could use that as my backup? And I have a backup drive I’ve used...hhmmmm....now whether I could retrieve info later is my fear


22 posted on 07/10/2016 9:26:57 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Alinsky.....it's what's for dinner: with Cloward Piven for Dessert)
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To: bigbob
> Let us know when they build-in the “roll back” button so I can get back to what I have (Win 8.1 with Classic Shell) and I’ll think about upgrading.

The only "roll back button" I trust is to make a full disk image with a third party product like Acronis True Image. And that has worked flawlessly for me with numerous machines over many years.

I personally wouldn't trust anything that claims to put everything back where it was -- with an in-place operation. It's just to large and difficult a task for anyone (much less Microsoft) to get right.

IMO: Make a full disk image backup. Make a second copy. Wipe the disk and prove you can restore it. THEN, and only then, do an upgrade.

23 posted on 07/10/2016 9:27:30 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
"Final VERY IMPORTANT note: Get access to a good "full image" backup system (e.g. Acronis), backup your system (and make a spare backup copy), and then try the upgrade. You may find you like Win10, in which case, great. If not, you can usually "roll back" to your previous OS. And if that goes sideways, you have your image backups to restore your system."

Your entire post is very good, and this quoted piece is exceptionally important!

I would only add that a free alternative to Acronis True Image, is Macrium Reflect Free, which is available via download from their website. I have been using the heck out of it the past 3 weeks, and it works wonderfully for backing up and restoring system images.

This spate of activity was spurred by a Windows 10 upgrade/revert to Windows 7 failure that left a friend's laptop unbootable. That's a nightmare to be avoided at all costs. Having a system image to reload after the failure to revert would've saved days of aggravation...

24 posted on 07/10/2016 9:27:51 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Hey, what happened to my clever tag line?!)
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To: goodnesswins
> I have I DRIVE .. Spose I could use that as my backup? And I have a backup drive I’ve used...hhmmmm....now whether I could retrieve info later is my fear

Personally I don't use any "cloudy" backup services except for non-critical data. External USB hard disks are cheap, and Acronis (and similar programs) let you make a CD or USB stick to boot from for a full recovery to a wiped system disk. And there's no way to access the "I-Drive" if your computer's system disk is wiped clean. Useful for data, yes, but not for system recover.

25 posted on 07/10/2016 9:33:29 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: goodnesswins
"I have I DRIVE ... Spose I could use that as my backup?"

For a Docs & files backup, yes.=, but it's certainly not recommended for a system image backup.

For one thing, the size of a system image file can be very large, ranging from about 30GB to many hundreds of gigabytes, depending on your hard drive size and how it's configured. That's a heckuva lot of upload time to a cloud service!

Then, if your system DID tank, you would need a way to download the image and restore it to your hard disk. This is usually accomplished outside of the operating system, which is required to access the cloud service. It can be done, but it's clumsy and most likely would require using a second computer and, and... well, let's just say, if you're not following this, you don't want to attempt it!

26 posted on 07/10/2016 9:38:27 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Hey, what happened to my clever tag line?!)
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To: dayglored

Thanks...I kinda was thinking you’d say that.


27 posted on 07/10/2016 9:41:13 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Alinsky.....it's what's for dinner: with Cloward Piven for Dessert)
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To: dayglored

You have to change any BIOS settings to get Windows 10 to run in a VM on Windows 7?


28 posted on 07/10/2016 9:42:44 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: dayglored

Control panel through” settings” completely stopped working. Can’t even use the add remove programs.


29 posted on 07/10/2016 9:59:44 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: dayglored
My wife's Win7 desktop doesn't qualify for the free upgrade for some reason, which is fine by me. Have advised her that next stop is Fedora with LibreOffice.

Win10 has a couple of oddities. One is the removal of the 'Favorites' place from the file explorer. For most people that isn't a deal-breaker, but it was for me.

Another oddity I found when I was putting a link (via shortcut) to a website on the desktop. So, added the shortcut, then pasted in the link and saved/closed. Double clicked it to open it and got hash. Looked in the address line of browser and realized the browser was 'Edge', and the system had prepended an 'http://' to the beginning of the link.

So I closed 'Edge' and edited the shortcut - the system had put the 'http://' right into the shortcut in front of the actual link. So, 'Edge' was trying to open, for example: http://https://www.myhealthcare.org/patientportal/login
Had to add a hard-coded launch path to IE 11, and all was well.

Weird. But, then, Win10 is fine for kids and really old people. Everybody else should be rolling up a big Linux stogie and smokin' pure-control pleasure. (I'm only kinda kiddin'! Linux is only for people who like to control their computers the way they control their own guns and dogs!)
30 posted on 07/10/2016 10:03:02 AM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
> You have to change any BIOS settings to get Windows 10 to run in a VM on Windows 7?

Nope. I have Win10 VMs running under Win7, also under Mac OS X and Linux, with no changes. In each case I started with a stock Win7 VM, and let it do the upgrade in-place.

The Win7 VM host uses VMware Player; the OS X host uses VMware Fusion; and the Linux host uses Xen. All run great.

31 posted on 07/10/2016 10:17:32 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: goodnesswins

“Should I upgrade? I really don’t know what to do. We have win7”

Whatever you do, DO NOT “upgrade” to Windows 10. You’ll regret it.


32 posted on 07/10/2016 10:26:30 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Organic Panic
> Control panel through” settings” completely stopped working. Can’t even use the add remove programs.

Yeah, one of the changes in the Win10 UI that I really don't like is the loss of Control Panel. The way it was in Win7, you could eventually find what you wanted. Now, not so much.

33 posted on 07/10/2016 10:37:11 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

I was thinking I might buy a HD, image my real one, do the upgrade on the copy, just to pick up a license while they’re free, then switch back to using the real unit.


34 posted on 07/10/2016 10:48:29 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dayglored

Yeah, but attempted coercion is to me like a red cape is to a bull; I feel like I’m obligated to defy them. So when W7 goes out of support, It’s probably going to be Linux or Mac with Windows in VMs. I already tried CAD in a VMWare VM under Mint and it works adequately.


35 posted on 07/10/2016 10:53:54 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dayglored

> we’re beginning to check in final code

In other words they’ve been forcing people onto an unfinished product. Typical Microsoft.


36 posted on 07/10/2016 10:58:18 AM PDT by Ray76 (The evil effect of Obergefell is to deprive the people of rule of law & subject us to tyranny!)
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To: catnipman

Well...I am thinking it may be just as well to stay with Win7 as we will need new computers soon enough...probably be forced to Win10 THEN...unless can find another similar option...at this stage not sure changing OS is good...my husband has a hard enough time with anything computer...he’s wired for financial stuff NOT computer stuff


37 posted on 07/10/2016 11:25:56 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Alinsky.....it's what's for dinner: with Cloward Piven for Dessert)
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To: dayglored

I have an ultrabook - no hard disk, just solid state memory. I recently upgraded from Win 7 to Win 10. To my surprise, I now have more free memory.

Sometime back, I added a pop-up blocker to Microsoft Outlook. It works pretty well. Microsoft Edge hits me with pop-up advertisements, so I continue to use Outlook.

Cortina (?) wanted me to give them my location before proceeding. I chose not to. So, I’m not using any of that stuff.


38 posted on 07/10/2016 11:30:44 AM PDT by ChessExpert (It's not compassion when you use government to give other people's money away.)
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To: dayglored
The way it was in Win7, you could eventually find what you wanted.

Yeah, they moved crap all over the place between XP and 7, for what reason, I would love to hear. Understand under the hood code needing tweaking, but why trash the work environment and make users have to search for things they have learned to use earlier?

39 posted on 07/10/2016 12:06:36 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: dayglored

Upgrade to lock in the FREE Windows 10 then you can revert back to Windows 7 in about 15 minutes if you want to.
Here are a few tips to fix annoying things on Windows 10

Custom solid color background
You can still get to it in the old control panel:
Start button> Run then copy and paste:

control /name Microsoft.Personalization /page pageWallpaper


Get rid of desktop text drop shadows.
Uncheck it in the settings.
http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-shadows-for-texts-on-desktop-in-windows-2

The regedit in above link only works until you save your Theme.
You have to Restart Windows Explorer again.

1. Press Windows and Pause Break button together, and System information windows will open.
2. Click on Advance System Settings.
3. In Advanced System Settings Click on Advance.
4. Go to the Settings which is under Performance.

5. Under Performance uncheck the settings Use Drop showdown for icon labels on desktop.
6. Click on Apply and press Ok.

7. Ctrl + Alt + Del to open Task Manager. In the Processes tab scroll down till you see Windows Explorer.
Highlight it then click on the Restart button in the lower right corner.


40 posted on 07/10/2016 1:00:33 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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