Posted on 06/23/2016 9:40:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right
Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan Red was one of the color-coded war plans created by the United States Army and Navy in the late 1920s and early 1930s to estimate the requirements for a hypothetical war with the United Kingdom (the "Red" forces). War Plan Red discussed the potential for fighting a war with Britain and its Empire and outlined those steps necessary to defend the Atlantic coast against any attempted mainland invasion of the United States
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The rise of Hitler and Tojo of course put an end to that sort of thinking.
The demise of the demise of the British Empire was a tragedy from which the world is still suffering.
“...and raiding God knows what in our northern Idaho region.”
They covet our spuds, don’t ya know?
There were a number of these plans - each with a different color code. (Colour code, for you’se Anglican types we’d be fighting..)
Canada, UK, Mexico, Japan, Germany, France, Spain ... Russia also. China. Don’t know if Korea was in the list; Just a few years later we WOULD be fighting in Lebanon, landing in Vietnam, Korea,
But figure that if Germany had taken the beaches right after Dunkirk, we would be fighting to land on the British beaches!
Careful. Those will bite your sister.
“United States Army and Navy in the late 1920s and early 1930s to estimate the requirements for a hypothetical war with the United Kingdom”
England tried in 1812 and in 1860 to undo the American independence. Then in WWI we were neutrals. While we hear all about the Lusitania and German subs attacking US ships trading with Britain, we are never told how the Royal Navy absolutely warned us that any American ship proceeding to Germany would be sunk.
Britain made all kinds of hostile demands on us during WWI. Then when we entered they wanted direct control over US soldiers and intended to use them as replacements in the British Army. Thankfully Pershing said that was not going to happen.... period.
In the naval treaty of the 1920s, Britain insisted on superiority over the US. No, despite all the special relationship talk, the UK does not have a deep abiding respect for American independence and freedom. They have undermined it at every chance.
In the 1920s the Brits absolutely saw us as an adversary. The dirty truth about WWI is that the Germans were not the bad guys. The Brits were flatout evil and fighting to preserve the economic empire. And the French were beaten to death in a fight for survival.
Its a common mistake to assume the Germans of WWI were the Germans of WWII. They were polar opposites in innocence and guilt. One think now widely known. The average German soldier had the right to vote. The average British soldier could not. “Making the world safe for democracy”....sure.
The British considered Soviet Russia and France their biggest problems in the 1920’s. A third British-American war was always possible in the 19th Century, but very unlikely after WWI. Governments make war plans for every possibility but that does not mean that they are at all likely.
Clearly the Navy and Army did not have enough to do between the wars. Totally absurd plans.
The “Special Relationship” was an outgrowth of the Atlantic Charter put together by Churchill and FDR just prior to WWII.
Ever since then the Brits have been about as rock-solid an ally as they come.
The demise of the British empire was a good thing for human freedom and for America. The empire created the Opium trade in China and left them ready for what it has become. The entire middle east today is created by Brits drawing idiotic lines and installing tinpot monarchies to do their bidding.
A few hundred million Indians finally were relieved of their masters who held them at gunpoint.
Its a fact that most of the wars around the world today began with the idea that a Brit should be in charge of brown people and hold them in defacto slavery.
It is also well documented that the Americans in the China India Burma theater were appalled at how the Brits treated the Indians and were convinced that the Brits were more concerned about keeping India in line than fighting the Japs in the Pacific.
Same for the fighting in the Mediterranean, Ike felt that the invasion into Europe should have happened two years earlier, but the Brits kept prattling about the soft underbelly of Europe and won the day with Roosevelt. Of course, they failed to mention holding into Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Malta, Suez Canal, Gibraltar, etc.
A lot of Americans died protecting British empire positions.
They aren’t as rock solid as you think. Their government undermines American freedom at every possible turn. They have colluded with their banking establishment merge ours in with theirs.
The Brits were behind the 2007 price spike in oil by allowing their commodities markets to make moves that would be illegal here.
They are not involved in the heavy fighting in the middle east wars. They contribute just enough to ensure their senior leaders get command time. In the NSA world they spy on Americans and ship the info to American agencies who can then claim THEY aren’t spying on us.
They aren’t an enemy per se, but they always put the interests of the UK ahead of Americas. They do so without fail. They aren’t an enemy, but they aren’t a friend. They sometimes have mutual interests but that’s about it.
Uh, Aroostook County Maine, the largest county East of the Rockies, provides all the spuds for the East Coast.
>>Britain made all kinds of hostile demands on us during WWI. Then when we entered they wanted direct control over US soldiers and intended to use them as replacements in the British Army.
The language barrier alone would have made that suboptimal . . .
Workers in tea plantations in India and Sri Lanka were slaves in all but name including their own version of fugitive slave laws for workers who tried to leave.
Of course they condemned slavery in the United States at the same time...
Interesting topic but sloppily written book. Sloppy facts, sloppy proofreading. Read a real account of the War of 1812, at least at the Wikipedia level.
Stability. The British Empire provided it. Globally.
A history teacher friend of mine called the English aristocracy the worst class of people in history. I certainly wouldn’t go that far, but yep, he had a point.
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