Click the map to create your own at Well, '04 minus NM plus NH.
Posted on 03/23/2016 2:05:09 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
Edited on 03/23/2016 7:10:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
"I think I'll bring in states like Michigan that was devastated by job loss, states like New York," Trump told CNN.
Probably not. The last Republican to win New York in a presidential election was Ronald Reagan in 1984. Michigan hasn't gone Republican since 1988. But Trump's boasting does raise an interesting point: There's a case to be made that Trump could reshape the electoral map in a way that Ted Cruz couldn't.
Never the less, Reagan was still 20+ points behind Carter at this point of the guessing game. But it does show that the media is still trying to stop the bleeding of their failed candidates so they can keep some air of importance to themselves.
So what is it about Virginia and Colorado that makes this author think that they are winnable by Cruz but not winnable by Trump?
GOP ESTABLISHMENT PLOTTING ANTI-TRUMP COUP
Party leaders plan to deny Trump the nomination even if he wins most of the delegates.
March 22, 2016 By: Matthew Vadum
The Republican Party establishment is prepared to manipulate the rules at the party's national convention this summer to deprive Donald Trump of the presidential nomination -- even if he wins an outright majority of delegates -- according to longtime political operative and Trump confidant Roger Stone.
At the same time, Republican leaders are also moving forward with an eleventh-hour push to stop Trump in the remaining primary races, the New York Times reports. Their plan involves "a 100-day campaign to deny him the presidential nomination, starting with an aggressive battle in Wisconsin’s April 5 primary and extending into the summer, with a delegate-by-delegate lobbying effort that would cast Mr. Trump as a calamitous choice for the general election."
If that effort fizzles, anti-Trump Republicans will fight their nemesis tooth-and-nail at the convention and in the weeks leading up to it.
"Despite his historic run in the primaries, Trump will never, repeat never, get the nomination if this bunch can stop him," Stone declares in an op-ed.
"The insiders have poured over the rules of the Republican Party ... and they have found a way to lie, cheat and steal Trump out of enough delegates to force a second ballot."
Known for his insights and no-holds-barred tactics, Stone boasts of attending every Republican National Convention since 1964 and of "working the floor in every convention since 1972 including for Ronald Reagan in 1976," the last time the GOP had a contested convention.
It is worth noting that the Democratic Party's national conventions are unruly, mobocratic events, often punctuated by violence committed by activists who attack the party for being insufficiently radical. They often make for good TV.
By contrast, the Grand Old Party's national conventions tend to be staid, even dull, affairs, at least on the convention floor. But not this time.
This time the Republican establishment is planning to engage in procedural chicanery in hopes of disqualifying Trump delegates before the convention even begins, Stone writes.
"They’ve cooked up a strategy to be employed at all costs to steal delegates from Trump so that he’ll fall below the 1,237 on the first ballot," Stone avers, "and then, before the second ballot to present one of their group (Mitt Romney, call your office) as the Savior of the Grand Old Party."
"While each state’s individual law governs, most delegates are not bound to the candidate that brought them once the first ballot is over. Stall Trump on the first ballot and the Bush-Romney-Rubio-Kasich-Ryan-McConnell combine can go really to work."
At just past the midway point in the current primary season, Trump now has 678 delegates, compared to 423 for Ted Cruz, 143 for John Kasich, and 164 for Marco Rubio (who suspended his campaign earlier this month), according to the running tally at Real Clear Politics. As Stone notes, a candidate needs to obtain at least 1,237 votes on the convention floor to secure the nomination outright and avoid additional rounds of balloting.
In the coming weeks Trump may hit the so-called magic number of 1,237 delegates in which case the nomination would be his under ordinary circumstances.
But these are not ordinary times.
Stone is correct when he notes that the GOP establishment, which recently trotted out losing 2012 candidate Mitt Romney to attack Trump with a gusto unseen in his campaign against President Obama, is determined to prevent Trump from winning no matter how much support he garners from the voters.
A statement by Curly Haugland, a member of the Republican National Committee's rules committee, bolstered Stone's claims last week when he reminded them that the party has the ultimate say on the nomination, not primary voters. The party can block Trump even if he wins a clear majority of delegates, he stated matter-of-factly.
"The primary votes are not considered [at the convention], it's the delegates' votes," Haugland said on CNBC.
"The media has created the perception that the voters will decide the nomination," he said. "That's the conflict here."
"The political parties choose their nominees, not the general public, contrary to popular belief," he said.
The entrenched GOP elite will challenge the credentials of delegates elected in certain states, according to Stone.
Party leaders intend to invoke Rule 16(d) which Stone describes as a "byzantine concoction of legalese" that disqualifies delegates elected in a state that allows voters who are not registered as Republicans to vote in the Republican primary.
This could lead to Trump's 22 delegates from Massachusetts and 16 delegates from Arkansas being disallowed.
Trump's 25 delegates from Missouri could also be challenged because state rules are far from clear-cut. It could fall to Missouri Secretary of State Jason Kander, a Democrat, to decide how many delegates to certify to each candidate. "That sound you hear is of lawyers busily writing lawsuits," Stone adds.
Would-be kingmakers may invoke Rule 38 "which prohibits states from requiring their delegations from voting as a unit, by a majority vote of all members of their state delegation." It could be argued that delegates are not bound, even on the first ballot.
However absurd this reasoning may be, "all you have to remember is that the courts aren’t the ones to interpret these rules, they are going to have the meaning that a majority (there’s that pesky 1,237 number) of delegates who survive any challenges to being seated, give to these rules."
Stone explains that three weeks before the convention gets underway July 18 at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland the party's Standing Committee on Contests will meet. Composed of Republican National Committee members, the ultimate establishment insiders, the contests committee will hear any challenge to the right of any specific individual to be a delegate. The panel then makes its recommendation to the full RNC which makes its decision before the convention convenes.
There would be a chance to derail the anti-Trump effort. On the opening day in Cleveland, the Convention Committee on Credentials meets to consider appeals of the RNC’s determinations. That committee is populated by ordinary delegates who may not wish to go along with the anti-Trump stratagem.
If Trump is under the 1,237-delegate mark and the convention goes to a second ballot he could use the vice presidential nomination to barter.
Stone claims that:
"Widespread voter fraud in Texas and Oklahoma and the structure of the ballot in Ohio could sustain challenges before the entire convention to the seating of those delegations. After all, this is precisely how Dwight D. Eisenhower wrested the nomination from Bob Taft in 1952. But make no mistake: the Big Steal is ON."
Milquetoast conservative columnist Ross Douthat, like a chorus of right-leaning pundits, is all for sticking it to Trump. Openly longing for the good old days of "machines, bosses and smoke-filled rooms," he moans that Trump is "an authoritarian" and compares him spuriously to George Wallace and Huey Long.
"No modern political party has nominated a candidate like this; no serious political party ever should," Douthat writes, ignoring the fact that the Democrats twice nominated Barack Obama, the most authoritarian, dangerous U.S. president in modern times.
Douthat and those like him would prefer that Republicans lose in November, rather than let a brash outsider like Trump who at least has some conservative policies become the 45th president.
They want Trump crushed even if he wins a majority of the GOP delegates.
The argument could be made that, maybe after two terms of Obama-led upheaval and civil unrest, they would be better off putting America, as opposed to a mere political party, first.
Look at Michael Barone’s projection - he is an expert. He can’t figure a way Trump wins. I don’t know why anyone thinks Trump could win with a disapproval of 67% or so of all people and almost 40% of gop saying they would like a third party if Trump is the nominee. And DT is no Reagan. Reagan unified people. All Trump has done is divide us further.
and Michael Barone staked his reputation that Romney had it in the bag too.
I'm sure he'll win it outright in the general election......(rolls eyes)
Colorado and Virginia both have lots of Hispanic voters who are going to go overwhelmingly for Clinton. Parts of Northern VA are basically El Salvador.
White voters picked the president in 1980. Not so today. There just aren’t that many of them anymore. Heck Romney would have won in a Reagan-like landslide if 2012 USA had the same demographics as the 1980 version.
Cruz can win VA and Trump can’t, even though Trump beat Cruz there? Sure. And the “best possible” outcome has Trump losing PA? Don’t think so.
‘Might?’
Now, consider Trump and the map. There is, without question, a scenario where Trump loses 40 states and gets completely swamped. But the possibility also exists that Trump is able to re-jigger the map that has been in place since 2000 -- a map where Republicans face an uphill fight before a single vote is cast. (Trump is the low floor, high ceiling candidate of the 2016 electoral college.)
Trump needs to get way, way more disciplined, particularly in regards to women voters. His core message of borders/immigration/jobs is a winning hand. Yet he gives away points with nonsense like the Megyn Kelly and Carly Fiorina dustups. I'm afraid he stands a very good chance of talking his way to that 40-state loss scenario.
Yes saw that also. The 538 guy, the supposed oracle of political prognostications had a piece out and it had Pennsylvania having 17 delegates. No fact checking, logic or anything else. They just can't get over their inept, corrupt witch is going to get a solid as* beating come November. Hillary will lose so badly, she won't run again.
Yet on a raw vote count state by state Trump is getting more votes than Hillary. Add in at least 1/2 of the other Republican votes from the other challengers(1/2 like some here are hopelessly stupid) and you have a royal beatdown coming for Hillary. Facts are a b*tch aren’t they. Nice try though Cruz supporter.
PA has 17 delegates that will be committedto the primary winner. The rest will be uncommitted.
Well, '04 minus NM plus NH.
In which swing or blue states did Trump get more votes than Hillary? (who cares about solid red states - if Trump can’t hold those he’s toast).
Hillary actually got a few more votes than Trump in Florida. Trump outperformed her however in Ohio. Any other swing states vote yet? Know of any Trump over HRC vote wins in Blue states. I don’t.
Instead of flinging trollish insults - stick to the facts, which from what I can see are mixed re Trump/HRC.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/florida
I believe Trump can win New York.
In the same election.
17 delegates are bound. 54 delegates are free to vote their conscience. Total 71.
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