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Frozen wind turbines thawed by hot water
Wattsupwiththat.com ^ | Jan 23, 20`6 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 01/25/2016 12:44:37 PM PST by Daffynition

The entire rationale for wind turbines is to stop global warming by reducing the amount of CO2 being returned to the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels.

In the attached picture, recently taken in Sweden, freezing cold weather has caused the rotor blades of a wind turbine to ice up bringing the blades to a complete stop.

To fix the “problem” a helicopter is employed (burning aviation fuel) to spray hot water (which is heated in the frigid temperatures using a truck equipped with a 260 kW oil burner) on the blades of the turbine to de-ice them.

The aviation fuel, the diesel for the truck, and the oil burned to heat the water, could produce more electricity (at the right time to meet demand) than the unfrozen wind turbine could ever produce. (Before it freezes up again).

The attached picture is a metaphor of the complete insanity of the climate change debate.

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TOPICS: Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: globalcooling
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1 posted on 01/25/2016 12:44:37 PM PST by Daffynition
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No problem. Who needs electricity on long winter nights when it’s cold outside?


2 posted on 01/25/2016 12:47:17 PM PST by grania
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Wind Power is a Complete Disaster

http://www.law.utoronto.ca/blog/faculty/wind-power-complete-disaster

This commentary was first published in the Financial Post on April 9, 2009.

There is no evidence that industrial wind power is likely to have a significant impact on carbon emissions. The European experience is instructive. Denmark, the world’s most wind-intensive nation, with more than 6,000 turbines generating 19% of its electricity, has yet to close a single fossil-fuel plant. It requires 50% more coal-generated electricity to cover wind power’s unpredictability, and pollution and carbon dioxide emissions have risen (by 36% in 2006 alone).

Flemming Nissen, the head of development at West Danish generating company ELSAM (one of Denmark’s largest energy utilities) tells us that “wind turbines do not reduce carbon dioxide emissions.” The German experience is no different. Der Spiegel reports that “Germany’s CO2 emissions haven’t been reduced by even a single gram,” and additional coal-and gas-fired plants have been constructed to ensure reliable delivery.

Indeed, recent academic research shows that wind power may actually increase greenhouse gas emissions in some cases, depending on the carbon-intensity of back-up generation required because of its intermittent character. On the negative side of the environmental ledger are adverse impacts of industrial wind turbines on birdlife and other forms of wildlife, farm animals, wetlands and viewsheds.

Industrial wind power is not a viable economic alternative to other energy conservation options. Again, the Danish experience is instructive. Its electricity generation costs are the highest in Europe (15¢/kwh compared to Ontario’s current rate of about 6¢). Niels Gram of the Danish Federation of Industries says, “windmills are a mistake and economically make no sense.” Aase Madsen , the Chair of Energy Policy in the Danish Parliament, calls it “a terribly expensive disaster.”

The U. S. Energy Information Administration reported in 2008, on a dollar per MWh basis, the U. S. government subsidizes wind at $23.34 — compared to reliable energy sources: natural gas at 25¢; coal at 44¢; hydro at 67¢; and nuclear at $1.59, leading to what some U. S. commentators call “a huge corporate welfare feeding frenzy.” The Wall Street Journal advises that “wind generation is the prime example of what can go wrong when the government decides to pick winners.”

The Economist magazine notes in a recent editorial, “Wasting Money on Climate Change,” that each tonne of emissions avoided due to subsidies to renewable energy such as wind power would cost somewhere between $69 and $137, whereas under a cap-and-trade scheme the price would be less than $15.

Either a carbon tax or a cap-and-trade system creates incentives for consumers and producers on a myriad of margins to reduce energy use and emissions that, as these numbers show, completely overwhelm subsidies to renewables in terms of cost effectiveness.

The Ontario Power Authority advises that wind producers will be paid 13.5¢/ kwh (more than twice what consumers are currently paying), even without accounting for the additional costs of interconnection, transmission and backup generation. As the European experience confirms, this will inevitably lead to a dramatic increase in electricity costs with consequent detrimental effects on business and employment. From this perspective, the government’s promise of 55,000 new jobs is a cruel delusion.

A recent detailed analysis (focusing mainly on Spain) finds that for every job created by state-funded support of renewables, particularly wind energy, 2.2 jobs are lost. Each wind industry job created cost almost $2-million in subsidies. Why will the Ontario experience be different?

In debates over climate change, and in particular subsidies to renewable energy, there are two kinds of green. First there are some environmental greens who view the problem as so urgent that all measures that may have some impact on greenhouse gas emissions, whatever their cost or their impact on the economy and employment, should be undertaken immediately.

Then there are the fiscal greens, who, being cool to carbon taxes and cap-and-trade systems that make polluters pay, favour massive public subsidies to themselves for renewable energy projects, whatever their relative impact on greenhouse gas emissions. These two groups are motivated by different kinds of green. The only point of convergence between them is their support for massive subsidies to renewable energy (such as wind turbines).

This unholy alliance of these two kinds of greens (doomsdayers and rent seekers) makes for very effective, if opportunistic, politics (as reflected in the Ontario government’s Green Energy Act), just as it makes for lousy public policy: Politicians attempt to pick winners at our expense in a fast-moving technological landscape, instead of creating a socially efficient set of incentives to which we can all respond.


3 posted on 01/25/2016 12:47:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The goal of socialism is communism." -- Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Daffynition

THERMABLADE: WIND TURBINE ICE PROTECTION SYSTEM
http://www.kellyaerospace.com/thermalsystems/wind_turbine_ice_protection.html


4 posted on 01/25/2016 12:48:03 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: grania

Real men?


5 posted on 01/25/2016 12:48:13 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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Amusing....

The birds were laughing....for now...

6 posted on 01/25/2016 12:48:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about the universe.
7 posted on 01/25/2016 12:51:38 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Daffynition

How did they heat the water without the turbine , burn wood


8 posted on 01/25/2016 12:51:39 PM PST by butlerweave
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Our power plant had heaters in the lube oil systems of various motors, to keep the oil hot, and prevent condensation from forming inside. This was especially a problem in winter.


9 posted on 01/25/2016 12:52:09 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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10 posted on 01/25/2016 12:52:47 PM PST by PROCON (Proud CRUZader!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Wind Power is a Complete Disaster

That depends entirely on your perspective. If you mean at making economically priced electricity, yes. They are superbly effective at separating money from the taxpayer and ratepayer and delivering it to the generator builders, installers, landowners, power companies, and politicians.

11 posted on 01/25/2016 12:53:06 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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The turbines give collectivists good feelings. With that as the definition of success, they are successful.


12 posted on 01/25/2016 12:56:49 PM PST by lurk
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To: Daffynition

This might be crazy but a little while ago there was an article about how the Germans, in order to get the government funding for solar energy, were shining electric arc lights on solar panels.


13 posted on 01/25/2016 12:59:48 PM PST by CA_soon_gone
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That’s interesting. One reason wind turbine power is unreliable is the wind is not constant enough to give constant power generation.

Now if they took two or three C130 turboprop engines, mounted them so the prop wash would hit the wind turbines, they could have very dependable power.


14 posted on 01/25/2016 1:05:34 PM PST by redfreedom (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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15 posted on 01/25/2016 1:06:45 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Daffynition

Uh, wouldn’t just spraying hot water on the wind turbine just result in more ice on the wind turbine? Hot water sprayed like that in sub-freezing temps tends to freeze pretty quickly itself. Are they sure it’s not de-icer?


16 posted on 01/25/2016 1:27:16 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (I got nothin'.)
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To: Daffynition

BFL


17 posted on 01/25/2016 1:29:52 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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18 posted on 01/25/2016 3:23:00 PM PST by Daffynition (*Security, confiscate their coats. Get them out of here. It's 10 below zero out there ~DJT)
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To: PROCON; Daffynition


19 posted on 01/25/2016 3:32:24 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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20 posted on 01/25/2016 3:48:41 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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