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Yes, Ted Cruz Is A Natural Born Citizen, Even In the Originalist Meaning
P.J. Media ^ | 1/12/2016 | E.P. Foley

Posted on 01/13/2016 8:00:06 AM PST by conservativejoy

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To: TigerClaws

“Cruz supposedly admitted years ago what NBC meant - both parents citizens, of the soil.

A tape will pop up of this at some point.”
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Actually, it was posted just a bit ago.

Must read! [snip]http://www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams300.htm

“Interviewer: “What is your understanding of how one becomes a natural born Citizen?”
Cruz: “Two citizen parents and born on the soil.”
Interviewer: “Not exactly, but as I don’t have enough time to fully explain how one does become an natural born Citizen, based on your understanding, would you agree that Barack Obama is ineligible to be POTUS?”
Cruz: “I would agree.””
Interviewer: “So when we get you elected, will you expose him for the usurping fraud he is?”
Cruz: “No, my main focus will be on repealing Obamacare.”
Interviewer: “But Mr. Cruz, if he is exposed as the usurping fraud he is, everything he has done will become null and void. Everything!”
Interviewer: “At that point, Cruz reiterated his main concern, so it was obvious the conversation was over as far as Cruz was concerned.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/gop/3382891/posts?page=43#43


21 posted on 01/13/2016 8:50:59 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Just to be clear, you’re o.k. with a person born of a dual-citizen mother being a natural-born citizen, so that the matter of whether Donald Trump’s mother retained he UK citizenship upon becoming a US citizen would not be a concern to you?

And, in terms of emotional attachments, you’re o.k. with Presidential candidates having foreign born wives, as long as the wives are naturalized American citizens (as in the case of Jeb Bush [Mexico], Marco Rubio [Colombia] and Donald Trump [Slovenia]?

And, in terms of emotional attachments, you’re o.k. with males who avoided military service during the Viet Nam War when we had a selective service system (like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump)?


22 posted on 01/13/2016 8:52:34 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: AuntB

That’s it.

Thanks for posting.

If he said that on tape anywhere, he can say what now?

“I changed my mind.” “The more I looked into it the more I realized I had been wrong.”

Another one to ponder...

If Obama is later discovered to have been born out of the United States (say, President Trump exposes this fact), what are the consequences? Do we ax Obama’s presidential pension? Are the laws he signed null and void?


23 posted on 01/13/2016 8:54:45 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Good questions. I don’t know the answers.


24 posted on 01/13/2016 8:59:24 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Redmen4ever
Just to be clear, you’re o.k. with a person born of a dual-citizen mother being a natural-born citizen, so that the matter of whether Donald Trump’s mother retained he UK citizenship upon becoming a US citizen would not be a concern to you? And, in terms of emotional attachments, you’re o.k. with Presidential candidates having foreign born wives, as long as the wives are naturalized American citizens (as in the case of Jeb Bush [Mexico], Marco Rubio [Colombia] and Donald Trump [Slovenia]? And, in terms of emotional attachments, you’re o.k. with males who avoided military service during the Viet Nam War when we had a selective service system (like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump)?

I don't think I said I'm ok or not ok with any of those cases. That was not the point of my post. My point was that, before we start arguing over who is and who isn't NBC, we ought to understand why the Framers thought it an issue worthy of being included in the Constitution and what they understood the term to mean. After that is settled we can get to who fits the bill.

To address your specific cases, in the first instance, if Trump's mother was a citizen at the time of his birth then I understand him to be NBC. As an aside, dual citizenship is a legal nonsense; I would ban it.In your second and third cases, I don't see the legal import of "emotional attachment" so I guess I don't get your point. Is the legal system to be based on such ephemeral and flighty things as feelings?

25 posted on 01/13/2016 9:18:21 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: demshateGod

Perhaps you could actually name some “originalist” constitutional scholars who have such an opinion and, even more importantly, the actual authorities upon which such an opinion is based. Both Marshall and Story would seem to carry more weight, not to mention Waite, than Blackstone, in American courts. I don’t think you or this author have done a very good job of actually researching the question.


26 posted on 01/13/2016 9:29:22 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: X-spurt

What happens if a person who has standing files such a suit?


27 posted on 01/13/2016 9:34:12 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Could you do us a favor and name the precedent to which you refer?


28 posted on 01/13/2016 9:35:20 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Redmen4ever

Are you aware of the date upon which dual citizenship became allowable to one naturalizing as an American citizen? It does not appear so.


29 posted on 01/13/2016 9:37:48 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: brothers4thID

What are the notes or comments of any of the four whom you mention that support the notion that Cruz is eligible to the office of President and where, precisely, are they found?


30 posted on 01/13/2016 9:40:05 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: conservativejoy

Well some one had better do SOMETHING pronto. It is hard to be an educated and informed voter when one needs to know Judiciary language as well Voters wish to elect their choice, but if that choice is questionable: voters would be? would not be? less likely to vote for same. TRUMP- get the lead out....carry this forward and make an issue of it in front of an unpolitical judge. Ha! is there really such an animal?


31 posted on 01/13/2016 9:41:47 AM PST by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: DiogenesLamp; RummyChick
It's cute that you think facts and reasoning will persuade anyone. :) I used to be like that too.

Yeah, me too. This country is fundamentally broken. We are heading into a dark, dark age, where emotion and force will rule.

32 posted on 01/13/2016 9:53:36 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Since you asked the question, I’d thought I’d respond.

Legal systems are one thing, voter judgment another. The Constitution says “natural born citizen.” This has been interpreted. Of course, it might be re-interpreted. But, re-interpretation is in the murky world of the emotional attachments, ephemeral and flighty things or whatever you call it when it suits you.

Voter judgment is another thing. As a voter, and in particular a Republican, I’d like to look at a person’s entire corpus of statements and behaviors so as to infer allegiance. Evading the draft during a time of selective service speaks to me. So does contributing equally to Republicans and Democrats up to 2011, when Trump made his first foray as a Republican in presidential politics. These things look suspicious to me. They indicate that a person is mostly concerned with himself instead of a cause larger than self. As a veteran and a long-standing Republican in terms of financial contributions and volunteering, these things are important. But, in the end, I am a Republican, and I’ll be supporting the nominee of the party in the fall.

I think we’re of the same mind with respect to dual citizenship. I like the system employed by Slovena (you know, the birthplace of Donald Trump’s foreign born wife). A person who could be a citizen of Slovenia and a second country has to make a decision. No disrespect to anybody. Plus, to become a citizen of Slovenia, you have to speak Slovenia, prove you will be self-supporting, and not be a criminal.


33 posted on 01/13/2016 9:58:35 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: AuntB
In a campaign interview during his freshman senate race, a GOP Texas State Committee member sat down with the young candidate to ask a few poignant vetting questions, and here are the questions and answers from that interview… (Redacted information is to protect the witness at this moment, but the witness is willing to offer sworn testimony)

The interviewer's name is "redacted" for reasons of "protection"? LOL!

It's amazing what some people so want to believe that they would resort to such a flimsy unnamed source.

I could post a bunch of unnamed sources claiming things about Trump but I don't. It's called being objective.

34 posted on 01/13/2016 9:58:45 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: sphinx
Does anyone really want to suggest that military kids, State Department kids, or the children of business people on an overseas assignment are ineligible to run for President?"

Yes, the Left does, unless it happens to be a black Democrat candidate, in which case any and all rules go out the window.

So sick of all this crap. Let's just admit that laws and rules mean nothing now, and it's every man for himself.

35 posted on 01/13/2016 10:04:18 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: brothers4thID
James Madison could rise from the dead, stand in the rotunda of the US Capitol and proclaim Cruz’s eligibility and you’d still have FReepers shouting about it.

Yep. And you'd have Democrats damning him to all and sundry, while proclaiming B. Hussen O. as a "natural born citizen" even if his mother fornicated with the Devil himself and Hussein was born in Saudi Arabia.

A pox on it all. America is no longer a nation of laws. Let's just admit it: there is no political solution to ANY of this while the Media rules.

36 posted on 01/13/2016 10:06:28 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: AmericanVictory

Keeping the date a secret?

According to Trump, Cruz needs to clarify his qualification. Producing his own birth certificate and then producing his mother’s birth certificate wasn’t enough. Nothing Cruz can do will ever be good enough. Trump is playing a game. Now, Trump is playing “born in the U.S.A.,” implying that natural born citizenship only passes through place of birth (via the 14th Amendment), and overthrowing all prior jurisprudence on the matter of citizenship through lineage going back to English common law.

Under British law, citizenship by lineage flows through either parent. You are confusing British law with respect to citizenship of colonials with citizenship by lineage. The latter had a expiration date, now that the UK is basically out of the colonial business.


37 posted on 01/13/2016 10:06:47 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: RummyChick
Why do you think the NBC clause was put into the Naturalization Bill?

And why do you think it was not put in the replacement bill?

38 posted on 01/13/2016 10:07:03 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: TigerClaws
No. Obama continues to rule, especially if he is coronated KING OF THE UN.

You see, all Republicans have to live under laws, while NO Democrats do. Clear?

39 posted on 01/13/2016 10:08:13 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: FreeReign

Charles Gordon has some theories.

I can’t answer it. No one can.

All we know is that James Madison took it out and it has never been seen again.

It is completely disingenuous to claim it is important that Congress put it in but refuse to acknowledge that they repealed that Act and took it out.


40 posted on 01/13/2016 10:11:42 AM PST by RummyChick
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