Posted on 01/13/2016 8:00:06 AM PST by conservativejoy
“Cruz supposedly admitted years ago what NBC meant - both parents citizens, of the soil.
A tape will pop up of this at some point.”
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Actually, it was posted just a bit ago.
Must read! [snip]http://www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams300.htm
“Interviewer: “What is your understanding of how one becomes a natural born Citizen?”
Cruz: “Two citizen parents and born on the soil.”
Interviewer: “Not exactly, but as I don’t have enough time to fully explain how one does become an natural born Citizen, based on your understanding, would you agree that Barack Obama is ineligible to be POTUS?”
Cruz: “I would agree.””
Interviewer: “So when we get you elected, will you expose him for the usurping fraud he is?”
Cruz: “No, my main focus will be on repealing Obamacare.”
Interviewer: “But Mr. Cruz, if he is exposed as the usurping fraud he is, everything he has done will become null and void. Everything!”
Interviewer: “At that point, Cruz reiterated his main concern, so it was obvious the conversation was over as far as Cruz was concerned.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/gop/3382891/posts?page=43#43
Just to be clear, you’re o.k. with a person born of a dual-citizen mother being a natural-born citizen, so that the matter of whether Donald Trump’s mother retained he UK citizenship upon becoming a US citizen would not be a concern to you?
And, in terms of emotional attachments, you’re o.k. with Presidential candidates having foreign born wives, as long as the wives are naturalized American citizens (as in the case of Jeb Bush [Mexico], Marco Rubio [Colombia] and Donald Trump [Slovenia]?
And, in terms of emotional attachments, you’re o.k. with males who avoided military service during the Viet Nam War when we had a selective service system (like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump)?
That’s it.
Thanks for posting.
If he said that on tape anywhere, he can say what now?
“I changed my mind.” “The more I looked into it the more I realized I had been wrong.”
Another one to ponder...
If Obama is later discovered to have been born out of the United States (say, President Trump exposes this fact), what are the consequences? Do we ax Obama’s presidential pension? Are the laws he signed null and void?
Good questions. I don’t know the answers.
I don't think I said I'm ok or not ok with any of those cases. That was not the point of my post. My point was that, before we start arguing over who is and who isn't NBC, we ought to understand why the Framers thought it an issue worthy of being included in the Constitution and what they understood the term to mean. After that is settled we can get to who fits the bill.
To address your specific cases, in the first instance, if Trump's mother was a citizen at the time of his birth then I understand him to be NBC. As an aside, dual citizenship is a legal nonsense; I would ban it.In your second and third cases, I don't see the legal import of "emotional attachment" so I guess I don't get your point. Is the legal system to be based on such ephemeral and flighty things as feelings?
Perhaps you could actually name some “originalist” constitutional scholars who have such an opinion and, even more importantly, the actual authorities upon which such an opinion is based. Both Marshall and Story would seem to carry more weight, not to mention Waite, than Blackstone, in American courts. I don’t think you or this author have done a very good job of actually researching the question.
What happens if a person who has standing files such a suit?
Could you do us a favor and name the precedent to which you refer?
Are you aware of the date upon which dual citizenship became allowable to one naturalizing as an American citizen? It does not appear so.
What are the notes or comments of any of the four whom you mention that support the notion that Cruz is eligible to the office of President and where, precisely, are they found?
Well some one had better do SOMETHING pronto. It is hard to be an educated and informed voter when one needs to know Judiciary language as well Voters wish to elect their choice, but if that choice is questionable: voters would be? would not be? less likely to vote for same. TRUMP- get the lead out....carry this forward and make an issue of it in front of an unpolitical judge. Ha! is there really such an animal?
Yeah, me too. This country is fundamentally broken. We are heading into a dark, dark age, where emotion and force will rule.
Since you asked the question, I’d thought I’d respond.
Legal systems are one thing, voter judgment another. The Constitution says “natural born citizen.” This has been interpreted. Of course, it might be re-interpreted. But, re-interpretation is in the murky world of the emotional attachments, ephemeral and flighty things or whatever you call it when it suits you.
Voter judgment is another thing. As a voter, and in particular a Republican, I’d like to look at a person’s entire corpus of statements and behaviors so as to infer allegiance. Evading the draft during a time of selective service speaks to me. So does contributing equally to Republicans and Democrats up to 2011, when Trump made his first foray as a Republican in presidential politics. These things look suspicious to me. They indicate that a person is mostly concerned with himself instead of a cause larger than self. As a veteran and a long-standing Republican in terms of financial contributions and volunteering, these things are important. But, in the end, I am a Republican, and I’ll be supporting the nominee of the party in the fall.
I think we’re of the same mind with respect to dual citizenship. I like the system employed by Slovena (you know, the birthplace of Donald Trump’s foreign born wife). A person who could be a citizen of Slovenia and a second country has to make a decision. No disrespect to anybody. Plus, to become a citizen of Slovenia, you have to speak Slovenia, prove you will be self-supporting, and not be a criminal.
The interviewer's name is "redacted" for reasons of "protection"? LOL!
It's amazing what some people so want to believe that they would resort to such a flimsy unnamed source.
I could post a bunch of unnamed sources claiming things about Trump but I don't. It's called being objective.
Yes, the Left does, unless it happens to be a black Democrat candidate, in which case any and all rules go out the window.
So sick of all this crap. Let's just admit that laws and rules mean nothing now, and it's every man for himself.
Yep. And you'd have Democrats damning him to all and sundry, while proclaiming B. Hussen O. as a "natural born citizen" even if his mother fornicated with the Devil himself and Hussein was born in Saudi Arabia.
A pox on it all. America is no longer a nation of laws. Let's just admit it: there is no political solution to ANY of this while the Media rules.
Keeping the date a secret?
According to Trump, Cruz needs to clarify his qualification. Producing his own birth certificate and then producing his mother’s birth certificate wasn’t enough. Nothing Cruz can do will ever be good enough. Trump is playing a game. Now, Trump is playing “born in the U.S.A.,” implying that natural born citizenship only passes through place of birth (via the 14th Amendment), and overthrowing all prior jurisprudence on the matter of citizenship through lineage going back to English common law.
Under British law, citizenship by lineage flows through either parent. You are confusing British law with respect to citizenship of colonials with citizenship by lineage. The latter had a expiration date, now that the UK is basically out of the colonial business.
And why do you think it was not put in the replacement bill?
You see, all Republicans have to live under laws, while NO Democrats do. Clear?
Charles Gordon has some theories.
I can’t answer it. No one can.
All we know is that James Madison took it out and it has never been seen again.
It is completely disingenuous to claim it is important that Congress put it in but refuse to acknowledge that they repealed that Act and took it out.
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