Militamen In Burns, Ore. Break Into Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Building

Oregon Public Broadcasting ^ | 1/2/2016 | Kimberley Freda and John Sepulvado

[combat_boots]

I also posted the legal briefs.

You are attacking the messenger, not the message.

[P-Marlowe]

Sorry, I have no patience for people not respect basic US laws. Breaking into federal buildings, trying to intimidate people with arms, is not something any of us should be supporting or encouraging.

In the Revolutionary war we would have referred to you as a loyalist.

[Calpublican]

Can you substantiate your assertions. Links?

[PAR35]

The feds have now re-/post-classified these men as terrorists.

Playing fast and loose with the facts there. If you can't win your argument on the merits, sometimes it is better to stay quiet. When you have to result to falsehoods to win, your position isn't worth defending.

[Calpublican]

Who’s to say this is the time. There will undoubtedly be a time for armed disobedience if our country continues on this trajectory.

If/When the time comes, it will be necessary to break laws to defend freedom.

This is exactly why we have the 2A.

[PAR35]

If you are going to write fiction, you probably should research the subject first.

[Reno89519]

I have not given up on America. I served in the military and the hell with standing by while people, whether militias, BLM, or illegal aliens disrespect and destroy our nation, its laws, and institutions. There are courts and legislature to deal with this.

[combat_boots]

YouTube of commentary with cross-links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syrH-cCrc8

[Nextrush]

It is breaking within the last two hours and Google already shows dozens of stories.

I posted this as Extended News, then Front Page News but it was downgraded on FR apparently by the Mods.

[The_Media_never_lie]

Remember, only black lives matter.

Only thugs lives really matter. Black police lives do not matter.

[USNBandit]

Somebody filed an appeal complaining that the federal sentencing guidelines had not been followed, and succeeded in getting additional time tacked on. These guys will spend more time for errant range management, that they self reported, than the average armed robber will get.

[combat_boots]

Take a hike, pal.

What I posted was, in part, directly from the prior post. I’ve also read the legal briefs.

Look up the story yourself.

[Aliska]

Page can't be found.

It's one thing for a mob of Democrats to take over the Wisconsin State Capitol Building, but Bundy and the militia are overplaying their hand on this one.

They aren't going to get away with it this time unless they back down.

I can't tell what the arson was about but that didn't happen in the Wisconsin mess.

[P-Marlowe]

There are courts and legislature to deal with this.

The courts and the legislatures of the country are as corrupt as they were in the Soviet Union.

You sound like a British loyalist in the Revolutionary war:

Sorry, I have no patience for people not respect basic US THE KINGS laws. Breaking into federal buildings OWNED BY THE CROWN, trying to intimidate people LOYALS SUBJECTS with arms, is not something any of us should be supporting or encouraging.

Reno89519 - BRITISH LOYALIST 1775

[Calpublican]

I posted it on Twitter when I saw your post.

[Reno89519]

So, are you inciting rebellion? Shall we next burn down the buildings? Shoot the federal officers and employees? Seriously?!

These militias are no better than BLM and other protesters. Worse, since they are armed.

And who loses? Conservatives, Americans. We get tarred with their bad actions.

[combat_boots]

“This is a story of ranchers Dwight (father) and Steven (son) Hammond of Diamond, Harney County, Oregon. In the year 2001 they set fire on BLM land for which they had grazing permits. They did so to clear underbrush so more grass would grow, making the land more productive for their cattle. Some years later a court did indeed rule that the fire had accomplished that, making the land more valuable for grazing.

Both Hammonds had been previously arrested in 1994 for blocking the BLM from building a fence. The BLM was constructing a fence that would block Hammond cattle from grazing on land the BLM had claimed as a “refuge”. But the Hammonds claimed that area as a “historic right of way” that has been in use since 1871. “We have never had a permit,” Susan Hammond said. “We have a right to use it.” The Hammonds served only two days in jail, their hearing was postponed indefinitely for this offense, and to date has never taken place.

Nevertheless the Hammonds were tried and convicted in 2012 under the “Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996” for arson on public land for the 2001 fire and a similar fire in 2006. The statutory minimum sentence was five years. However, Judge Hogan deemed a five year sentence too lengthy per the 8th Amendment(cuel and unusual punishment). Consequently he sentenced the Hammonds to 3 months and one year respectively. The Hammonds did indeed serve that time in jail. Dwight 3 Months and Steven 12 Months.

However, the BLM and the US government are now contesting that sentence as a violation of the Anti-terrorism act. Suit has been filed in the District Court of Oregon (Eugene) for the Hammonds to serve the balance of the prescribed minimum sentence. The hearing on 7 Oct 2015 in Eugene, Oregon. was only a sentencing hearing, as the Hammonds have already been found guilty (and served jail time) for the offense. During this hearing, they were sentence to the remaining five years in a federal penitentiary.

In the meanwhile the BLM is refusing to renew the Hammonds’ grazing permits, forcing them to find alternative feed for their cattle. In a separate suit, the BLM is also charging the Hammonds $400,000 for alleged costs of fighting fires and damage to the public lands. In the event the Hammonds must sell some or all their private ranch land to meet that monetary demand, the BLM has filed first option to buy the land forcing the Hammonds to sell to them.

The Hammonds agreed in 2013 to pay the $400,000 as their insurance company agreed to help substantially. Dwight & Susan Hammond have moved off their ranch to Burns, Oregon, in anticipation of Dwight going to jail for four more years & nine months. Then his wife Susan will be able to care for herself in town.

Dwight purchased his ranch & grazing rights in 1964. He confirmed to me that his grazing rights predated the establishment of the BLM, by virtue of being established by previous owners of his ranch.

Steven Hammond is reluctant to talk to anyone about the situation in fears of the federal government's actions against him and his young family.”

https://brianbyexperience.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/hammond-family-declared-as-terrorist-and-sentenced-to-five-years-in-federal-prison/

[foundedonpurpose]

Thank you for posting the truth!

Sadly there are fewer and fewer people on FR that value truth any longer, criticle thought has left the building for the great future of propaganda....

All hail the gods of the copy book heaven💀💀💀💀💀

[Calpublican]

Well, recently the SCOTUS made some unconstitutional moves so not sure the courts can be trusted.

Personally, I am prejudiced towards the rancghers because I have friends who live on property adjoining BLM land and I hear about the cluster***k they go through. They are both wildlife biologists and she was with USFS for years as a Fisheries Biologist so they know how to talk to these people and yet....

[foundedonpurpose]

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