Posted on 01/02/2016 6:57:32 PM PST by Nextrush
I wonder how many are living off gov’t pensions and government social security? The thought of them getting paid from my taxes, while playing terrorist makes me feel nauseous.
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Thanks. Great information there...
I archived that on my system, since it may wind up vaporware at some point.
Explain, o fount of all things Federal court rules and laws, exactly what all these things are.
It appears you know them quite well.
I am flattered that you think I wrote post #32 from scratch.
Hint. I didn’t compose post #32. Hence the links at the bottom of the post.
I'm not so sure where you were, but aside from the Shenandoah National Forest, the George Washington National Forest, The Appalachian Trail, Smoky Mountain National Park and a host of other wildlife areas and government owned lands, there were plenty of places to go tramping around in the boonies without messing with private property.
Consider the 20 acre remnant of land which has been in our family for over 350 years, still farmed, but on which our family cannot (by government decree) cut trees planted by an ancestor 180 years ago because those acres were not good farmland, and you can go walk elsewhere. We can't even harvest that crop (hardwood--worth millions).
What you don't seem to get is that for a farmer or rancher, that land is our factory.
You wouldn't go traipsing through an auto assembly line or a steel mill, what makes you think you can just stomp through a field of hay or cropland, or go crashing through pasture or a woodlot?
Even worse, if you get hurt, if a bull gores you, you get hurt climbing a fence, the landowner gets taken for a ride.
It is enough to avoid the inherent dangers of farming and ranching if you know what you are doing, but to have to assume liability for every idiot who gets a notion to go for a walk on your land is over the top.
Keeping livestock in is the primary purpose of gates and fences, but keeping idiots out is a definite plus. Farming and ranching comes up number 9 on the list of most dangerous jobs, and having the clueless wandering about is a recipe for disaster.
As for closing down roads, it was the BLM trying to shut down county roads to limit access to water these people had rights to.
Water rights amount to ownership of the use of water; that ownership is vital to the use of the property (control the water, control the land) out west.
That sentence doesn't even make sense so I guess you're right. We can't talk about anything.
That’s a quote from you people (the militia crowd). Read your own propaganda.
My people? Militia crowd? My own propaganda?
You’re not only incoherent you’re a propagandist.
You can’t find one real quote of mine to support
that insane Alinsky nonsense you just threw at me.
Buh bye, nutcase.
BLM is black lives matter?
No. The Bureau of Land Management.
Good one, though.
IIRC, Bundy offered payment and it was declined.
Interesting that that map includes some Indian Reservations I know of as Federally Owned land. What’s up with that? Did they take it all and just not tell? Or does that map confuse Federal Law Enforcement Jurisdictions (BIA/FBI) with Federal ownership?
While in rational times I would fully agree, keep in mind that we are dealing with a Government which is trying to stop the planet from warming (not proven) by taxing basic energy. The people we are dealing with are irrational scientific illiterates led by others with an agenda which is favorable to neither the people of this nation nor its economic health.
Logic and reason will not prevail against those who utilize neither.
No, he was a patsy.
His actions and those of his co-conspirators took place at the worst possible time and had the worst possible effect.
They were spun against gun owners, the militia, religious white folks, Constitutionalists, and even used as an excuse to soft-peddle the Congressional investigation of the Waco Massacre, for which the bombing was supposedly in retaliation.
Of course, that ignores everyone from Andreas Strassmeir to Abu Sayef, and any federal connection (sting?) to the incident.
As usual, the security tapes went missing.
The following article from Oct., 2015 has lots of information. Mr. Maupin, in the following excerpt, was an expert witness for the first trial and talked about preventive land burns, and how they used to be done with private and BLM coordination, which is what the Hammonds did in at least one case. Maupin used to work for the Feds.
http://www.thefencepost.com/news/18847695-113/two-members-of-oregons-hammond-family-to-serve
EXCERPT:
Why the Hammonds?
“The story is like an onion, you just keep peeling back the layers,” Maupin said.
In an effort to stave off what they feared was a pending Clinton/Babbitt monument designation in 2000, a group of ranchers on the scenic Steens Mountain worked with Oregon Representative Greg Walden, a republican, to draft and enact the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Act that would prevent such a deed. The ranchers agreed to work with special interest “environmental” groups like the aggressive Oregon Natural Desert Association and others to protect the higher-than 10,000 foot breathtaking peak.
A number of ranchers at the top of the mountain traded their BLM permits and private property for land on the valley floor, allowing the anti-grazing groups to create a 170,000 acre wilderness, with almost 100,000 acres being “cow-free.”
“The last holdouts on that cow-free wilderness were the Hammonds,” explained Maupin. And because the Hammonds have large chunks of private property in the heart of the cooperative management area, they carried a target on their backs.
“It’s become more and more obvious over the years that that the BLM and the wildlife refuge want that ranch. It would tie in with what they have,” said Inglis.
The Hammonds also lost their ability to water cattle on one BLM permit when refuge personnel drained a watering hole that the Hammonds had always used.
Yabbut, you should see them go after seven oil companies over 28 dead birds!
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