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Suicide Claims 14th Marine From a Unit Battered by Loss
The New York Times ^ | 30 Dec 2015 | Dave Philipps

Posted on 12/30/2015 8:57:55 AM PST by Theoria

Tyler Schlagel slipped out of his parents' house while they were asleep three weeks ago and drove through the wintry darkness to his favorite fishing lake high in the Rockies.

Mr. Schlagel, a 29-year-old former Marine corporal who was stocking shelves at a sporting goods store, carried with him the eight journals he had filled during tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He also carried a .40-caliber pistol.

Under the bright mountain stars, he kindled a small campfire. When the flames grew high, he threw the journals into the fire, then shot himself in the head.

Mr. Schlagel's death Dec. 9 was the 14th suicide in his military unit -- the Second Battalion, Seventh Marine Regiment -- since the group returned from a bloody tour in Afghanistan in 2008. Many other members have attempted suicide, one just three days after Mr. Schlagel's death.

The suicide rate for the 1,200 Marines who deployed together -- most now out of the military -- is nearly four times as high as for young male veterans as a whole and 14 times as high as that for all Americans.

After a New York Times report in September about the suicides underscored shortcomings in the government's ability to monitor and treat mental health problems among veterans, members of Congress called for the military and the Department of Veterans Affairs to address the issue. But those efforts have remained halting and incomplete, critics say.

A big part of the problem is that the veterans of the unit, like hundreds of thousands of other young veterans, fall between the cracks of the two enormous institutions. The military's authority stops when troops leave active duty. The V.A.'s starts only if veterans come in for benefits or medical care -- and many do not seek that care.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: camphope; marines; military; obamalegacy; ptsd; suicide; wot
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1 posted on 12/30/2015 8:57:55 AM PST by Theoria
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“The V.A.’s starts only if veterans come in for benefits or medical care — and many do not seek that care.”

And even if they DO, the VA doesn’t give two hoots in a handbasket.


2 posted on 12/30/2015 9:00:26 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Theoria

Rest in peace, Corporal Schlagel.


3 posted on 12/30/2015 9:01:31 AM PST by cowboyway (We're not going to be able to vote our way out of this mess.)
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To: Theoria

While it is proper and fair to blame the Marine Corps or the VA; the real reason why so many soldiers and Marines off themselves goes back to the family.

Or the lack thereof.


4 posted on 12/30/2015 9:02:45 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: Theoria
This is the beginning of the narrative, "Just because a veteran did not seek mental health help, doesn't mean we shouldn't ban him from guns!"
5 posted on 12/30/2015 9:05:23 AM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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To: Theoria

Very sad. I have friends who have served, and apparently it is a real issue. Some have groups that reach out to one another in the hope they can be present for someone at their time of need. Depression and hurt can be insidious. They can creep up on someone, and at times they may not even know what is happening.


6 posted on 12/30/2015 9:08:02 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Theoria

We can spend mega-millions of dollars to bring Syrian refugees and terrorists into the country, but can’t get the VA straightened-out or give our Veterans the help they need.

Makes me sick just to think about it!


7 posted on 12/30/2015 9:10:43 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Theoria

Speaking as a service disabled veteran, the Department of Defense and the Veterans Administration could give a rats ass about veterans, disabled or healthy.


8 posted on 12/30/2015 9:12:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Theoria

There was another Marine suicide December 20th in New Jersey. (body found in Pennsylvania) I don’t know what unit the Marine was in.


9 posted on 12/30/2015 9:12:27 AM PST by petitfour (Americans need to repent.)
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To: smokingfrog

Very true.


10 posted on 12/30/2015 9:12:51 AM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: smokingfrog

I hadn’t looked at it from that angle, but you are correct. That is infuriating, disgusting, and sickening.


11 posted on 12/30/2015 9:14:50 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Theoria

What happened during their tour? When did they return?


12 posted on 12/30/2015 9:15:41 AM PST by petitfour (Americans need to repent.)
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To: petitfour
Hard-hit 2/7 begins return from Afghanistan

More background

13 posted on 12/30/2015 9:23:07 AM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Theoria

They told us suicide was contagious when I was in. If one person killed themselves it tended to push other people over the edge.

The only answer is to get out in front of it and give these guys the support they need.

The military’s response to any kind of mental issue is to drug them and then take away things, their job, firearms, status. Which only keeps people from seeking help.


14 posted on 12/30/2015 9:28:46 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Theoria

I wish more young vets would join the VFW or American Legion. It would help these guys on a lot of levels. God bless them.


15 posted on 12/30/2015 9:38:15 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: driftdiver

Also the administration and liberals like Kerry have demonized veterans. Veterans do not feel valued and respected stateside. They have sacrificed their time, peace of mind and often limbs in our service and too often their service is dismissed and disregarded.


16 posted on 12/30/2015 10:21:41 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: Darksheare
I've never understood the poor treatment of military veterans, even here in America, and it has been happening since the very beginning, going back to the Revolution.

Pensions should be higher for veterans, and their health care availability and level of service should be the best in the nation.

It's a crime, and I'd like to know what politicians are either indifferent to, or actively sabotaging, efforts to take better care of military veterans.

17 posted on 12/30/2015 10:29:37 AM PST by sargon
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To: JayGalt

Yeah but Kerry has 3 purple hearts.

That rice in the butt hurts ya know.


18 posted on 12/30/2015 10:33:00 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Theoria

This is so sad. Every event that Donald Trump has he spends time taking about our Wounded Warriors. If he is elected they will be far better off than they are now.


19 posted on 12/30/2015 10:37:40 AM PST by McGruff (Desperation does not look good on anyone.)
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To: Theoria

Thanks! It hurts to read these stories. :(


20 posted on 12/30/2015 10:51:12 AM PST by petitfour (Americans need to repent.)
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