Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Something to Consider Before We Rush to Send Ground Troops to Fight ISIS
Wounded American Warrior ^ | December 14, 2015 | Benny Huang

Posted on 12/14/2015 3:57:04 PM PST by Benny Huang

According to a recent CNN/ORC poll, Americans have once again contracted war fever. For the first time a majority (53 percent) of the public wants to send ground troops to battle ISIS. Coming on the heels of three horrific ISIS-linked terrorist attacks—the Russian jetliner, the November attacks in Paris, and the San Bernardino spree killing—this is not entirely surprising. People are understandably fed up with Islamic crazies killing innocent people.

I too am sick of it, though less eager to send ground troops. Not that we have any good options.

Our policy thus far has been "no boots on the ground," or at least that’s what the White House has told us. "No boots" isn’t entirely true—just like everything else this lying president says. There are indeed some boots on the ground in the Middle East stamped "made in the USA" on their soles but for the most part we’ve chosen to fight ISIS from the sky.

Our airpower strategy has not rolled back ISIS, for a number of reasons, the first of which is that it telegraphs to the enemy that we are irresolute in our mission. We can’t stomach casualties and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the grand poohbah of ISIS, know this. Why should he despair? Second, airpower alone does not win wars. No piece of territory is truly secure until the infantry marches in and plants the flag. Our Air Force is, of course, supporting ground troops but they happen to be Iraqi and our Iraqi allies have proven themselves to lack "combat effectiveness"—which is a nice way of saying that they suck hind teet.

The time has long since passed to decide whether we should go big or go home. I don’t like either option and for that I am glad I’m not the commander-in-chief. I would rather not make such a weighty decision. Unfortunately, the guy who is charged with such decisions—with congressional approval of course—seems indecisive. He has condemned us to another few years of farting around with neither a cohesive strategy nor a vision of victory.

If the latest poll is any indicator, the American people, by a bare majority, have embraced "going big" and rejected "going home." At least that’s what their fickle opinion is this week. Next week might be different and if troops remain in Iraq and Syria for any extended period of time public opinion will inevitably turn south. Americans only like war when it’s quick and easy. When soldiers start coming home in body bags we will blame our leaders for giving us the war we asked for.

I believe that most of that 53 percent of Americans who want to send our young people back to the sandbox labor under the mistaken belief that our military is a well-oiled machine that will make mincemeat out of ISIS. I would warn these people that our military is actually pretty ragged—under-funded, undertrained, and sorely lacking in the morale department. Most importantly, it’s been wussified—forced by politicians and general officers to become the "kindler gentler military" Stephanie Gutmann warned of fifteen years ago in her seminal book by the same name. If you haven’t read it, you need to.

Slashed military budgets have shrunken our armed forces. The US Army is now the smallest it has been since before World War II and the US Navy the smallest since before World War I. We are still asking this skeleton crew to keep the sea lanes open and to hold down the fort in Korea, something we did not ask of them in our pre-superpower era.

Morale continues its descent into the abyss. In 2014, the Military Times commissioned a survey of 2,300 military members to gage their satisfaction with military life—with bleak results. Only 56 percent of troops agreed with the statement "Overall my quality of life is good," compared to 91 percent who said the same thing in 2009. Seventy percent of troops agreed with the statement that "quality of life will decline in coming years." Only 27 percent said that officers in senior leadership positions had the rank-and-file’s best interest at heart—a clear indicator that careerism is having a corrosive effect on the military. As journalist Hope Hodge Seck wrote in the Military Times: "Today’s service members say they feel underpaid, under-equipped and under-appreciated, the survey data show."

"Underpaid" is something of an understatement. Annual pay raises, which were once almost guaranteed to be at least two percent, are now sometimes as low as one percent. The last time pay raises exceeded two percent was in 2010, when the troops’ salaries were bumped up 3.4 percent. Since then, the pay raises have been 1.4 percent (2011), 1.6 percent (2012), 1.7 percent, (2013) one percent (2014), and one percent (2015). The pay raise taking effect this New Year’s Day is a mere 1.3 percent.

Perhaps the most terrifying trend in today’s military is the diminution of the warrior spirit. This “wussification” of the US military has probably been underway for decades but it shifted into hyperdrive after the ascendency of Barack Obama. His campaign to get women into combat arms positions—even elite units—without lowering standards was exposed as a farce at the very same press conference at which it was unveiled. As General Martin Dempsey famously pronounced in January 2013, "Importantly, though, if we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?" But don’t worry, standards won’t be lowered—and you’re sexist if you say otherwise.

The wussification of the Army is nearing its end stage. Consider the US Army Drill Sergeant School in Fort Jackson, South Carolina, where noncommissioned officers go to learn how to train raw recruits. It prides itself on its New Army ethos—which means that there is a lot less butt-chewing and apparently, according to one drill sergeant quoted in an article by journalist Jeff Wilkinson, no more "smoking" the privates. For non-veterans, "smoking" is when the drill sergeant makes the privates engage in all sorts of physically demanding exercises—pushups for sure, but also alligator walking, walrus crawling, T-bones, flutter kicks, and leg lifts. "We don’t smoke people anymore," said Drill Sergeant Danielle Brooks. "But sometimes you have to give them a little extra TLC." I wish this were The Onion but it isn’t. The drill sergeant really thinks it’s her job to deliver tender loving care. She might as well wear a button that says "free hugs."

This is not your father’s Army. It isn’t even the Army I joined in 1999. My drill sergeants relished "smoking" the privates. I recall one particularly hard drill sergeant who I am quite certain would not graduate from today’s Drill Sergeant School on account of his old-fashioned approach to training. Whether the privates were getting enough TLC was not his top concern.

I’m sure that wussification proponents would argue that "smoking" the privates does little to improve their training. I disagree. "Smoking" the privates instills mental toughness and, at very least, gets them into shape. Many young people joining the military today are neither mentally tough nor physically fit so someone has to furnish them with these commodities. I’ll use myself as an example—I lost forty pounds in basic training and gained a lot of self confidence. That would not have happened if Danielle Brooks had been my drill sergeant.

Before we go sending the bloom of our youth to fight crazy dudes on a mission from Allah, it might be prudent to ask ourselves if we have truly prepared them. Are we going to send a chubby teenager, who, through no fault of his own, never did so much as a pushup in basic training, off to battle ISIS? What if that teenager isn’t properly equipped and his morale is in the gutter because he can’t pay his bills? I say no. It would not be fair to that teenager to expect him to engage in real combat where he is likely to have his feelings hurt with no one around to give him a hug.

We have neglected our armed forces for a long time and we cannot now expect that they will perform as they did in generations past. Let’s hit the brakes on the rush to send ground troops to the Middle East.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: bloggersforum; bombtheshitoutofthem; elections; immigration; isil; isis; jihad; jihadists; military; moratorium; muslim; sendthemback; terrorism; trojanhorse; trump; trumpwasright
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

1 posted on 12/14/2015 3:57:04 PM PST by Benny Huang
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

Unfortunately, it now looks like we’re going to be fighting them over there AND over here.


2 posted on 12/14/2015 3:59:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

Purge the existing PC crowd. Trump can Executive Action to ax women in combat and toss out the homos and lefties. 10% cut across the board and retire the Obamabots.

Then lean down the armed forces and give them raises.

We need to do a 30% cut across the board to all government agencies to purge the Democrats and unionists from fleecing the American public.


3 posted on 12/14/2015 4:01:28 PM PST by TigerClaws
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

I guess we’ll need an update to Over There..

Over Here Over There

Sad , now old Romans are our brothers and sisters..

Their ghosts watch our slow gradual slide..

Semper Fi Jim

Duty Calls


4 posted on 12/14/2015 4:02:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

They want us to commit troops to a long protracted war. They are committing atrocity after atrocity to goad us into World War III.


5 posted on 12/14/2015 4:02:29 PM PST by cld51860 (Volo pro veritas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

The article says:

“No piece of territory is truly secure until the infantry marches in and plants the flag”.

We don’t plant flags. In Desert Storm a soldier climbed up the barrel of a tank and hung an American flag. He immediately took it down. The press, along with the white house, condemned the action.

I think the last flag we planted was on the moon in 1969. And if we went there today we’d take it down and apologize to the universe.


6 posted on 12/14/2015 4:04:28 PM PST by VerySadAmerican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cld51860

ISIS could’ve been put down back in the ‘long Toyota truck convoy’ days but 0dunga has rather enjoyed watching this cancer grow and spread like the cancer it is. 0dunga loves watching Europe be consumed by the Islamic Caliphate and here in the U.S. too HE IS HELPING THEM.


7 posted on 12/14/2015 4:08:02 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: cld51860

Their are tens of thousands of US troops that are not active duty who would gladly go over as mercenaries. As someone has to do if pay for the travel and equipment and you’d have a rdy made army without “US boots on the ground”. Most people know that obama would frag them in a heart beat and only a brave few have been willing to dive into the mess.

However if the government clearly the way and put the iraqi kurds in charge of it then isis would be dealt with in months.... possible weeks.

Once again isis’s biggest ally is obama. He gave them most of the gear they have and he’s protected them from both US and iraqi kurd forces.


8 posted on 12/14/2015 4:09:10 PM PST by robotech master
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

It’s a very bad idea to send our troops into battle with a gang of traitors in charge, who are covertly working for the other side.


9 posted on 12/14/2015 4:11:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: robotech master
The smoking gun is this image of a leaflet right here. 0dunga warning ISIS members to flee ahead of an airstrike. So, at a minimum and to look as though he is doing something about ISIS, he ruins a few trucks BUT HE ALLOWS THE ISIS PIGS TO LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY:

This is our president telling ISIS, "DO NOT RISK YOUR LIFE"

10 posted on 12/14/2015 4:14:25 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Cicero

True. 0dunga killed over 3 times the number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan than Bush did, and you would EXPECT your greatest number of casualties to occur DURING INVASION, but this is NOT the case if you look at the numbers.


11 posted on 12/14/2015 4:16:15 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Cicero

Post #11, that’s “OUR TROOPS” not theirs.


12 posted on 12/14/2015 4:17:27 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: CivilWarBrewing

Needless to say, the media ranted about American deaths in Iraq on a daily basis while Bush was in office. But they have swept Obama’s casualty figures under the rug.


13 posted on 12/14/2015 4:24:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: CivilWarBrewing

That’s the problem right there, and not bombing if there’s a chance of civilians being hit. I don’t want to see our good people die for a perpetual war between the factions of Islam. they are all against us. We need to defend ourselves.


14 posted on 12/14/2015 4:37:12 PM PST by Rusty0604
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Rusty0604

A civilian under contract to drive oil trucks for ISIS, IS ISIS by extension. Otherwise, not many civilians around oil truck parking lots.


15 posted on 12/14/2015 4:39:26 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: CivilWarBrewing
breaking "things" has no lasting impact, but....

killing the bastards has a very long term impact....

16 posted on 12/14/2015 4:45:36 PM PST by ptsal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

Now before going be sure to liberally carpet bomb and napalm the entire region under ISIS control, this will minimize casualties greatly. (If you ask nicely, maybe Uncle P. will lob a few tactical nukes their way before you go in). Oh wait, you say you cannot do that because some civilian might die? Too bad, either go to war there like you mean it or stay home and die here.


17 posted on 12/14/2015 4:48:11 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

What about all the other radical Islamists who want to kill us? The crazy Muslims are everywhere. Where do we send troops?

The best thing we can do is fight them with sane immigration policies.


18 posted on 12/14/2015 4:51:57 PM PST by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Benny Huang

There is one and only one way to defeat ISIS. That is to send in American forces to wipe them out. We don’t have to stay. We can pull out after they have been crushed. To think we can stop them any other way is just foolish.


19 posted on 12/14/2015 4:56:08 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

I agree, and that’s probably the best response yet.

We’ll be fighting them both here and there before it’s over.

I would prefer to have mostly troops from Arab countries fighting them over there, but so far I haven’t seen many willing to actually do it. Even though their countries are at stake.

We trained and supplied the Iraqi army, they threw down their guns and ran at the first shots. Arguably that was because their leadership had been wiped out.

We spent some 500 million and trained a whole 5 people...

Obama has not effectively dealt with this at all. Bombing empty buildings at 2am doesn’t do a lot of damage. Refusing to hit a group gathered outside a large city, preparing to attack, was an incredibly bad idea. They sat out there in the open for at least 2 weeks, Obama did nothing, So they took over the city.

Now he’s bringing in “refugees” who we know are infested with ISIS fighters.

You’re right, we’ll end up fighting them here and over there, whether we send troops now or not.

This article does have some good points. Our military has been gutted, the DOD has been trying to cut the numbers down to WWII levels for the past year, morale is bad, training is not what it once was, I’m not sure out guys are actually ready for a real fight.


20 posted on 12/14/2015 5:12:06 PM PST by Paleo Pete (I'm with the bomb squad. If you see me running, CATCH UP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson