Posted on 12/02/2015 8:59:07 PM PST by WhiskeyX
US sees national trend of declining new cases
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interesting.....so you have to get your blood sugars in the normal range before you can loose weight.
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hmmm. What about those who have diabetes who are not overweight?
“so you have to get your blood sugars in the normal range before you can loose weight”
No. You need to get your insulin levels into normal range, if you want to lose weight.
What would you say is the best advice on preventing diabetes?
Or is there some concise statement or video you could link to that summarizes it?
THank you
“interesting.....so you have to get your blood sugars in the normal range before you can loose weight”
Paradoxically, yes and no.
The high blood sugar levels cause horrible damage. High blood glucose levels cause the levels of hormonal insulin to also become elevated above normal levels. As the insulin levels become elevated, the hormones regulating whether or not fat in the adipose tissues is burned by the metabolism or kept locked away so the metabolism cannot use the fats to burn for energy switch to the mode storing fats and not allowing them to be used for energy. Over a number of years the body and its metabolism tries to keep pace with the high levels of glucose in the blood by maintaining higher and higher insulin levels necessary to allow the cells to metabolize the glucose, removing the glucose from the blood.
Eventually, the liver, pancreas, and insulin receptors on the cellular membranes become fattened to the point where their functions become increasingly impaired. This is reflected by an increasing waist line which is becoming more and more difficult to stop with caloric reductions in the diet and increasing levels of exercise. This is the beginnings of a condition described as a metabolic syndrome. An indication of when males are experiencing metabolic syndrome is when their waist measurements reach and exceed 40 inches.
After this point the weight gains are becoming very difficult to stop, much less reverse without extreme actions. Even with extreme actions, any weight lost is usually regained soon after and with more added. In the next stage the liver, pancreas, and insulin receptors are becoming so impaired by fat, the insulin insensitivity of the cellular membranes begin to require more insulin than the pancreas is still capable of producing in its impaired state. As a consequence, the glucose uptake from the bloodstream by the cells is insufficient to keep the average glucose levels within normal ranges part of the time. This is when a physician may tell a patient they have pre-Diabetes Type II.
Over another period of time conditions worsen, and now the pancreas can no longer keep up with the glucose levels in the bloodstream, so the blood glucose levels become hyperglycemic and a patient is diagnosed to have Diabetes mellitus Type II. Typical diabetic medications are designed to help the pancreas to produce more insulin. The increases in the insulin results in more of the regulatory hormones storing fat in the adipose tissues and not allowing the fat to be used by the metabolism. This results in more weight gain, more need for insulin, and more weight gain in a vicious circle spiraling towards disaster and eventual failure of the body to accommodate to all the damage being caused.
Since most diabetic medications are used to cause insulin levels to be maintained or increased, they also make it virtually impossible to lose weight and reduce the fat in the liver and pancreas, unless another means of removing glucose from the blood is used. So, those types of drugs work against the ability to get fat out of the liver and pancreas and thereby reduce the blood sugars coming in the most part from carbohydrates (sugars) and any glucose created by the metabolism from protein (muscle) whenever carbohydrates are unavailable and fat is locked away in storage because of high insulin levels. To fix this problem then requires removing most the carbohydrates which are the principal source of the blood glucose going into the bloodstream. Also, any proteins in excess of the normal requirement of the metabolism must be eliminated to prevent them from being converted into glucose and stored fat. Since there are only three macronutrients; fat, carbohydrates, and protein; the only remaining macronutrient left to replace the carbohydrates and protein is fat.
As it turns out, whenever excess glucose has been mostly depleted from the body, the body uses the regulatory hormones to switch from storing fats to removing fats from the adipose tissues in the body and converts them into ketones the cells are capable of burning for fuel in the place of the glucose they formerly used for energy. This results in the dietary fats being consumed and the body fats being consumed during periods of fasting while sleeping and between meals. After a period of 12 weeks the fatty liver is reported by these physicians to lose 50 percent of of its fats within two weeks while in this state of nutritional ketosis and 80 percent of the fats after some 12 weeks. AS these fats are removed from the liver and the pancreas by this nutritional ketosis, the ability of the pancreas to produce insulin improves, the liver function improves, and the insulin receptors on the cellular membranes heal without the fats impairing their insulin sensitivity, and the blood glucose levels begin to improve in the direction of becoming normal again.
See some of the videos on YouTube and FreeRepublic discussions about them:
Nutritional Health Series, Part 1:
Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3357352/posts
Nutritional Health Series, Part 11
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 1 of 6: A New Hope
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3360044/posts
“hmmm. What about those who have diabetes who are not overweight?”
Diabetes is a hyperglycemic condition where the average blood glucose levels remain in a chromic state of being high enough to cause serious health problems, amputations of limbs, blindness ,and death. There are multiple causes for this condition of excessive blood glucose levels. Diabetes Type I, for example, is sometimes caused by a pancreas which fails to produce normal or any insulin necessary for the cells to metabolize and remove glucose from the bloodstream. Since their insulin levels are typically below normal, those levels of insulin do not cause the hormones which control the storage of fat to store fat instead of consuming and burning fat normally. Consequently, Type I diabetics can maintain normal and less than normal weights. Some pre-diabetics and some Type II diabetics can maintain a normal or thin body for a a period of years, before he insulin levels are high enough to cause the storage of fat and block the burning of fat.
“What would you say is the best advice on preventing diabetes?”
Maintaining good nutrition which succeeds in preventing insulin levels from exceeding normal levels and subsequently fattening the liver and pancreas. This would seem to require the avoidance of excessive carbohydrate intakes.
“Or is there some concise statement or video you could link to that summarizes it?”
The comment and the videos in the Nutritional health series covers the topic from a variety of angles and levels of complexity. See post 9 for a links to a couple of examples.
if I read correctly, something like the atkins low carb diet is suggested for diabetes.
“if I read correctly, something like the atkins low carb diet is suggested for diabetes.”
Some people think so, but I would disagree. In one of the videos, I don’t recall which one, the physician uses a diagram to show where many of the common diets fall in relationship to each other. The Atkins and New Atkins diets fall outside of the range needed to achieve a state of nutritional ketosis. It is this state of ketosis which switches on the body’s ability to replace carbohydrates and proteins (glucose) with fats (ketones) needed to fuel the metabolism of the body.
The Atkins diets provide proteins in amounts exceeding the nutritional requirements of the metabolism, so the excess protein is converted to glucose to replace the carbohydrates removed from the body. The glucose obtained from dietary carbohydrates, glucogen in the liver, and from proteins taken from breaking down muscle tissue to create glucose, is used to fuel the metabolism and/or stored as additional body fat on the body’s adipose tissues. In the presence of chronic problems with excessive levels of insulin, these circumstances result in people who have bodies undergoing starvation, stick like bones and skin in the arms and legs from losses of muscle tissue, loss of the muscle in the gluteus maximus (butt), little muscle tissue on the ribcage, and a giant and ever growing fat belly. The insulin levels locks away the body fat so it cannot be used for fuel, so the metabolism has to use the protein in the muscles to produce glucose for the metabolism to use for fuel in the absence of glucose.
The more insulin resistant a person’s metabolism is the less likely it is that the Atkins diets can be successful for a given individual.
thank you
I recent;y did atkins strictly (without adding carbs back into the dirt) for 6 weeks. Sugar under control, cholesterol normal, and lost 13 pounds. Thinking of going back on. Thanksgiving set me off and i did my usual thing, binge. I have tried atkins several times one time losing 47 pounds. Putting it back on and binging at the end.
Sharing for those interested.
back into the DIET
“I have tried atkins several times one time losing 47 pounds. Putting it back on and binging at the end.”
One of the problems noted with diets relying upon carbohydrates and protein to provide glucose for nutirition is the hunger and cravings associated with the swings in blood glucose.
Nutritional ketosis, on te other hand, does not result in the large swings in blood sugars associated with a metabolism reliant upon glucose for its primary fuel. Instead, the blood sugars remain very stable, which results in long periods of time where the hunger and cravings are not so acute as they are with glucose. This satiety makes it much easier to be satisfied with smaller meals throughout much of the day. Endurance athletes are discovering the benefits of using ketones to replace glucose and glucogen for fuel, because the body’s fats supply ketones for fuel long after the body’s supplies of glucose have been exhausted.
thanx again
Agreed. That’s how we have ‘thin’ T-2 diabetics.
T-1 diabetes shouldn’t even share the same name as T-2. The treatment’s not the same. Their responses to insulin aren’t the same. The prognosis is not the same. It adds too much confusion into the mix.
Personally, I believe that the drop in T-2 diabetes is due to more people going low (or lower) carb. Gradually, the stigma is lifting for saturated fats.
Here’s a good one for you, Whiskey.
You’ll see that the money spent on bread has gone up, year-by-year. They’re happy about that and predict more money being made off bread in the future.
But scroll down through the charts until you see the WEIGHT of bread (in tons) sold throughout the last decade.
People, Americans have eliminated 1,000,800 TONS of bread from our collective diet since 2006. If you look at the numbers, that’s roughly a 20% decrease for the population.
Now check out meat consumption.
We’re eating about the same amount of red meat (a little less) than we were in the 60’s, but the poultry has shot up significantly. Fish and shellfish consumption has gone up as well.
These charts are telling me that the doctor was wrong to credit doctors for ‘better education’. The people are educating themselves and doing a great job at it!
300,000 people took charge of their own health and nutrition and saved themselves from diabetes last year! Yeay!
In a way.
Forget your blood sugars. Think only about insulin. You can have high insulin, not be able to lose weight, and still have normal BGs.
Insulin makes you fat. Period. There is no other hormone that can store fat.
So tackle insulin. No carbs, moderate fat, proper protein.
(Protein can trigger insulin and fat storage, so it’s important to get just what you need to maintain your muscle - unless you’re exercising to build muscle - then you’ll need more.)
But I’m assuming that we’re talking about straight fat loss here.
Read Dr. Bernstein’s book. THAT is the bible for diabetics.
I’ve known people who’s lives were saved by that book. He shows you, scientifically, what’s happening in your body and shows you how to get the results that you want. (Granted, he’s not focused on weight loss. He’s saving people lives. The weight loss is a part of that, but not the goal.)
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