So you're not familiar with what Juan Marichal did to John Roseboro?
Posted on 10/11/2015 7:22:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
This was my take on that aspect of it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3347543/posts?page=30#30
A slide? Looked more like a drop-kick to me.
Fred, with all due respect this was not a particularly offensive play.
You take the fielder out if you can. He as in the vicinity of the bag, and he was fair game.
This sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME, and hardly anyone gets hurt.
This was an unfortunate situation, but it WAS NOT the type of play an umpire should award a double play on.
First of all, Majada didn’t touch second base. How do you award a double play?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2015/story/_/id/13866872/chase-utley-suspended-2-games-slide-broke-ruben-tejada-leg
At the 17 second point of the video Utley has his left hand extended and is clearing looking down to touch second base but what happens at the 18 second point of the video is that Utley's head hits Tejada's knee. So it is simply not true to say that Utley made no attempt to touch second base. He tried to but he got whacked in the face before he could put his hand down on second base.
All the time, and it still does.
No more home plate shoulders.
No more hard slides to break up a DP.
Throw inside on a guy crowding that plate and get a warning if not ejected.
When do they test market underhanded pitching?
And yes, that's relevant:
Utley is finished. His WAR for 2015 is -0.5. What category does that put him in? Bum. It means a team is literally better off with any non-bum replacing him.
Fred, how do you award a double play when the short stop didn’t even make the tag of the base to force the runner out, for the first of the two outs?
His second baseman didn’t make a good convertible leading toss, and Tajada had to twist in an attempt to make the conversion.
This was not totally Utley’s fault.
Well give me a list because I’ve never heard of a baseball player getting their legs, arms, etc. broken by other players, intentionally or by accident.
And those cute little plaid Scottish skirts (kilts)...
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(rules 7.09 (f), (g)). If when a runner deliberately interferes either with the ball or a fielder to break up a double play, (f) if by the batter, both he and the runner closes to home plate are called out. (g) If done by a baserunner, both he and the batter are called out.
So what you are saying is, the runner, running upright, could blast the fielder plumb off second base standing up and as long as he broke up the double play then all is good? Sounds reasonable to me, and the fielder doesn’t even have the benefit of the gear a catcher wears.
Nope, it is one thing to break up the play but it is another to not even come close to the bag and go out of your way to hurt the fielder. Spikes in the face would have better than a broken leg.
So you're not familiar with what Juan Marichal did to John Roseboro?
Exactly...
Thousands of play more or less just like this one without injury, and then one where an injury occurs.
This wasn’t a bad take out.
Seriously, you need to watch more baseball. Guys are take out at second base hundreds of times per hear. Some of the takeouts look far worse than this.
Tajada wasn’t angry. He knows the game. It was a freakish accident.
If this had been an intended bad slide, MLB would have kicked Utley out for the rest of the year.
I think the only reason they did two games was to prevent problems in NY.
You cannot award an out at second base if the infielder missed tagging the base.
In this circumstance you could award an out at first, IF the play was deemed over the top. It wasn’t.
This type of play would never result in a double play being awarded.
Here’s a situation where that ruling could come into play.
With a runner on first, a ball is hit to the second baseman. The second baseman trying to field the ball in the base path, is bolled over by the runner, who either winds up on second or does not make it to the bag.
Making contact with the fielder is interference, and a double play could certainly be awarded.
I’ve watched video & watched it live. If I’m running to 2nd & know it’s possible double play, I’m trying to reach base & break up play. If unable to tag base, I’m definitely breaking up the double play.
No more home plate shoulders.
The "Posey Rule" should never have been put into effect, and was the result of a) bad technique by Posey and b) umpires for years not enforcing the existing rules. NO INFIELDER is EVER allowed to block the base path without possession of the ball. Period. That includes home plate.
Had umpires properly enforced that rule, catchers would have had no incentive to get into collisions with baserunners, because the run would have been awarded unless they had the ball.
No more hard slides to break up a DP.
A legal hard slide requires you to be in the vicinity of the base with the intention of reaching the base. Umpires have very broad discretion in deciding what your intentions are. No new rule is required, and no "wussification" is afoot. The second base ump could -- and should -- have awarded both outs to the fielding team in this case, because you cannot convince me that Utley had any intention of reaching the bag. If they did that more often, these kinds of plays would be avoided. Shortstops should also take practice in landing with their knees and/or spikes in a guy's chest and face. That will also disincentivize the practice.
Throw inside on a guy crowding that plate and get a warning if not ejected.
The umpire has the authority to do that, and always has. And invariably, when he does it, it's not because you are throwing inside, it's because you're throwing up and in. Now, you may believe that a pitcher who can paint the corner of the strike zone literally within inches on 70 pitches in a game [and is deliberately throwing in the dirt on 15-20 of the 30-35 pitches that are balls] is not throwing deliberately up and in ... but umpires know better.
A hundred mile an hour fastball deliberately thrown at a batter's brain is no joke, and pitchers have been, and should be, ejected for doing that.
Utley did what ANY player running to second would've done in that situation, BUT OOOOPS, I FORGOT, THE 'EMASCULATION POLICE' ARE OUT IN FORCE TONIGHT.
Read the rule. There’s no requirement in an interference call that you tag the base if you’re being interfered with.
I hope they beat the crap out of him.
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