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Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug
Social News Daily ^ | 8 Sept 2015

Posted on 09/08/2015 11:56:03 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: GunRunner

There’s plenty of evidence, but there’s none so blind as those who will not see.


61 posted on 09/10/2015 9:18:55 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
You saying that there's evidence isn't evidence; it's just a statement. If evidence for homeopathy's effectiveness existed, you could point to it in scientific literature. But since homeopathy doesn't exist in the realm of science (it's pseudoscience), I think occult is a good classification for it. Or just plain cult, as arguing with its evidence challenged believers is more like talking to a cult member. "It works, you just can't see it because you're not in the cult."

It's now a government endorsed cult, since Harkin wrote in coverage for homeopathy and other assorted quackery in Section 2706 of ObamaCare.

What you're endorsing hurts people. Selling sick people treatments and methods that are proven to be false is immoral and evil.

62 posted on 09/10/2015 9:24:08 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
What you're endorsing hurts people. Selling sick people treatments and methods that are proven to be false is immoral and evil

Shut the hell up. Homeopathy is not immoral nor evil, you're just picking a fight. And "science" is not limited to your paltry understanding of it. Jeez, grow the hell up, there are things in this world that don't fit into your nice neat tiny little definitions. Millions of people use homeopathy because they find it works for them. Sorry that bothers you so much.

63 posted on 09/11/2015 9:20:54 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
Millions of people use homeopathy because they find it works for them. Sorry that bothers you so much.

The number of people who believe something does not affect its veracity.

Homeopathy in and of itself is no more immoral or evil than palm reading or alchemy, it's those who make money from it and advocate for it in the face of 100% of the empirical evidence that show it's fraudulent that I have a problem with.

If you're selling water and claiming it's medicine, or has health benefits beyond plain water, you're a fraudster, and you should be treated as such.

64 posted on 09/11/2015 12:10:30 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

Goodbye.


65 posted on 09/11/2015 12:37:30 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
Seems a typical retort looking at the reader responses here:

Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake

66 posted on 09/11/2015 12:43:44 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
Homeopathic treatment for chronic disease: a 6-year, university-hospital outpatient observational study.

CONCLUSIONS: Homeopathic intervention offered positive health changes to a substantial proportion of a large cohort of patients with a wide range of chronic diseases. Additional observational research, including studies using different designs, is necessary for further research development in homeopathy.

67 posted on 09/11/2015 12:51:01 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: txrefugee

No degree required for “alternative medicine.”


68 posted on 09/11/2015 12:54:02 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Talisker

A study with no control group? Haha! Nice try.


69 posted on 09/13/2015 7:54:47 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
A study with no control group? Haha! Nice try.

Physician hospital observations of 6,544 consecutive follow-up patients.

70 posted on 09/13/2015 8:39:50 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
With no control group and no placebo, and the patients weren't randomly sampled, but referred by GPs in the NHS. The study is essentially worthless and laughable because of this alone, more so because it was published in the "Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine".

A joke.

Here's a GENUINE study that aggregated 110 trials that show that homeopathy is the placebo effect:

Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy.

Biases are present in placebo-controlled trials of both homoeopathy and conventional medicine. When account was taken for these biases in the analysis, there was weak evidence for a specific effect of homoeopathic remedies, but strong evidence for specific effects of conventional interventions. This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects.

71 posted on 09/13/2015 9:04:04 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

The placebo effect is merely a scientific way to say that the immune system is effectively engaged. I’d say a mechanism that can do that is valuable. Also, I’m really tired of you. Your narrow minded arrogance is not only tedious, but makes your eminently hirable as a pharmaceutical shill.

Millions of people use homeopathy to trigger “the placebo effect” successfully, and heal. That seems to drive you mad. Good.


72 posted on 09/13/2015 12:03:32 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
The placebo effect, by definition, is the body's response to non-treatment. By saying the homeopathy triggers the placebo effect you are admitting that homeopathic products and treatment are not treatments at all. In other words, if homeopathy benefits patients by triggering the placebo effect, then a bottle of homeopathic liquid of some kind is chemically and functionally equivalent to a bottle filled with tap water that is labelled "homeopathic".

If this isn't an admission that homeopathy is BS, then I don't know what is. Thank you for proving my point.

What makes me mad is that people are able to gain profits and accreditations based on this scam, all the worse because they are preying on peoples' health concerns, which is immoral and wrong.

73 posted on 09/14/2015 5:54:03 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

Whatever.


74 posted on 09/14/2015 12:10:34 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker; GunRunner
Whatever.

Whoa. Gunrunner, you got owned, with that counter-argument of Talisker's.

75 posted on 09/15/2015 8:06:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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Whoa. Gunrunner, you got owned, with that counter-argument of Talisker's.

Yeah, gonna need some homeopathic cream to ease that burn.

76 posted on 09/15/2015 8:33:34 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Lazamataz
Whoa. Gunrunner, you got owned, with that counter-argument of Talisker's.

You're right, you live to offend.

77 posted on 09/15/2015 9:25:27 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

You are awful.


78 posted on 09/15/2015 9:55:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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