Posted on 08/26/2015 5:31:16 AM PDT by don-o
The national administrator for the 2 Million Bikers to DC Facebook page issued a press release saying that the meeting on May 17th at the Twin Peaks restaurant gathered with no intent to engage in organized crime. He includes in the letter what he calls the agenda for the meeting that day.
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Cara Danette Johnston told Breitbart Texas that the “biggest lie” is that the bikers all went to a regularly-scheduled regional bikers meeting with criminal intent, and/or to discuss anything related to a “turf war.”
Johnson describes herself as a biker “[w]ho loves and believes in the good hearts and wonderful bikers I call brothers and sisters who have carried me thru the worst times of my life.”
The biker who wrote the letter to the media, John Bostick, is a member of the Confederation of Clubs and Independents. He wrote, “I was not able to attend the scheduled COC&I meeting in Waco on May 17, 2015, but if I had been there, I possibly would have been killed, wounded, or arrested with the 177.”
Bostick writes in the press release, “Bikers know that the COC&I meeting was not scheduled to plan or promote violence. I have never heard of any violence at a COC&I meeting and they have been having them regularly for over 20 years.”
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
If they had put two officers in uniform in plain sight on the premises the rest could have taken the day off without any [incident].
It has yet to be explained why the Waco cops were sitting in their cars as matters escalated up to the moment when shots were fired (per testimony and Brent Strother statement.)
I am honestly perplexed by this. I still lean more to incompetence rather than malice as an explanation.
I lean more towards a criminal conspiracy on the part of the police and especially the mysterious Feds who seem to have disappeared and left the local PD holding the bag.
That the police have told lie after lie has already been established.
The questions you raise have merit.
Thank you for keeping this on the front burner!
That is a an aspect that merits serious consideration.
>>> If they had put two officers in uniform in plain sight on the premises the rest could have taken the day off without any [incident]. <<<
Interesting dichotomy here: If the cops had been visible, they wouldn’t have been needed but since they were hiding in ambush, they were needed.
That suggests that the police caused the melee intentionally through inaction rather than directly through agitation via ‘confidential informants’ and infiltration.
It’s schizophrenic; like babies having citizenship at birth but not having the right to life.
In a bulletin issued May 1, the Texas Joint Information Center run by the DPS warned of increasing violence between the Bandidos and Cossacks. Dallas TV station WFAA (Channel 8) obtained the bulletin and reported it said the conflict could stem from Cossacks refusing to pay Bandidos dues for operating in Texas and for wearing a Texas patch on their vests without the Bandidos' approval.170 motorcycle gang members charged | Denton Record Chronicle | 19 May 2015DPS spokesman Tom Vinger declined to comment on the authenticity of the bulletin, citing agency policy.
On the other hand, the president of the McClennan County chapter of Cossacks says the police asked him to help calm the waters between Cossacks and Bandidos. He showed up at Twin peaks (is one of the arrested), and in his bail reduction hearing says that he did NOT expect any trouble at the meeting.
"Who started it" arguments are never settled, ever. Both sides of every fight claim they were justified with whatever they said or did. I can see action starting and escalating with a biker-biker, or with an informant-biker or infiltrator-biker. Just on pure numbers, there being more biker-bikers than the other types, more likely things started with a biker-biker.
But I don't see any way the initial fight, even if it included a gun battle, would have resulted in as many dead and wounded if the police had been absent. Of course, that is speculation, but it seems to me that not so many people are willing to jump into a gunfight unless they have the benefit of cover or escape route.
-- That suggests that the police caused the melee intentionally through inaction ... --
If the police were passive, they didn't start it. Allowed it to start, sure.
-- ... directly through agitation ... --
I see agitation and cranking people up to a fight as indirect. The direct actors are the ones who use force of violence.
” John Bostick, is a member of the Confederation of Clubs and Independents. “
JB says the police snipers started picking off the bikers one by one before the bikers started shooting.
He wasn’t there so HTH does he get off going against ALL testimony.
“Cara Danette Johnston told Breitbart Texas that the “biggest lie” is that the bikers all went to a regularly-scheduled regional bikers meeting with criminal intent, and/or to discuss anything related to a “turf war.” “
Well, mayber not ALL ...
“If the police were passive, they didn’t start it. Allowed it to start, sure.”
I don’t think the police are allowed to declare Marshall Law ...
“That the police have told lie after lie has already been established.”
Not really. But keep repeating it ...
The group gathered there, the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents (CoC&I), hold frequent meetings to discuss biker safety issues, proposed legislation, and other motorcycle issues. They had no intent to engage in organized crime. Their website gives a very different impression of the group’s purpose and goals than what has been portrayed by law enforcement officials after the restaurant shootings."
Their website shows that all the chapters are chaired by Bandidos or affiliates!
Where does he say that?
Marshall law?
Is that anything like Martial law?
Me: JB says the police snipers started picking off the bikers one by one before the bikers started shooting.
You: Where does he say that?
hmmm. He doesn’t actually say one-by-one but implied that as he described the ‘sniper fire’.
Do you have a grasp on the difference between fantasy and reality? Again, I urge you to get yourself evaluated.
“So, your modified “statement of fact” becomes “JB says the police snipers started picking off the bikers before the bikers started shooting.” “
No. My modified statement of fact is he described the sniper fire before the bikers started shooting.
“Do you have a grasp on the difference between fantasy and reality?”
Yes.
Reality: Bikers were involved is a gang war.
Fantasy: Cops ambushed them.
Why were the cops sitting in their cars?
“Why were the cops sitting in their cars?”
They were all in their cars? No snipers on the roof-tops?
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