Posted on 07/08/2015 8:33:41 PM PDT by dangerdoc
In a significant doctrinal shift, the U.S. military is relegating full metal jacketed (FMJ) pistol bullets to a training role, and will be adopting modern hollowpoint designs similar to those used by most domestic law enforcement agencies and citizens who carry handguns for self-defense.
The stunning announcement was made at the U.S Army’s Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey yesterday during the military’s two-day “industry day” for the Modular Handgun System (MHS), which will conclude today.
A military lawyer who made a presentation during the Industry Day noted that the United States is not a signatory to the Hague Conventions which outlawed the use of “dum-dum” and expanding bullets more than a century ago. It is the military’s position that the shift to jacketed hollowpoint (JHP) ammunition, which more efficiently transfers energy to the target and which presents much less of a risk of over-penetration, is more humane and less of a risk to innocent civilians downrange in modern combat where there are often no clear front lines.
Have they awarded the contract to anyone yet? OA (Federal) ?
No, but this makes it more likely the winner will be firing 9mm.
In case it isn’t obvious, the Feds want the hollow points out of the hands of civilians.
They’ve been trying to corner the market for years.
I thought they were in violation of the Geneva Convention?
Hague, and we didn’t sign.
“In case it isn’t obvious, the Feds want the hollow points out of the hands of civilians.”
Interestingly, the majority of rounds considered to be nasty, dangerous, or excessively brutal were originally designed for law enforcement.
Active Duty ping.
Speaking of ammo, check out the shells on this site:
http://www.firequest.com/exotic-shotgun-ammo.html
Contract will probably go to some third world country.
My first thought was Aguila. A little salve for Mexico’s
hurt feelings over Trump’s statement of facts.
Yup better to kill Americans with
Anyone who dies of pistol shot simply bleeds out slowly.
Unless hit in the head or the heart.
Dead center.
So did I.
Wiki says:
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III prohibits the use of expanding bullets in international warfare. This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the Declaration of St Petersburg in 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams.
About damned time. Next replace that stupid green tip 5.56 ammo with soft points and JHPs.
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Isn’t FMJ armor piercing?
....but this makes it more likely the winner will be firing 9mm...
Not necessarily so. A quality .45 with a polished chamber throat will feed magazine after magazine of JHP without failure. Bigger entry and much bigger exit wounds. Its a whole different ballgame With a .45.
Award what?
They already purchased billions of rounds so, they are stocked up...
Not for pistols.
What took them so long?
The military would rather use a smaller lighter round for logistics and load out reasons. If modern hollow point ammo makes the 9mm equivalent to a 40 or 45 (which the FBI says is true), then they will probably go that direction.
Their published goal was to use a round 10% more effective than the 9mm NATO round. A modern 9mm +p hollow point round does that and more.
I would love to see them move to a 10mm or 45 auto, but with this move, I don’t think it is in the cards.
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