Posted on 06/22/2015 4:15:39 PM PDT by Ray76
“New Jersey didn’t join in a war launched to protect the institution of slavery.”
Was there such a war? If so, it is one with which I am not familiar.
Abolition was certainly on the minds of some yankees, but those in Washington were more concerned with preservation of the Union, as well as keeping those tariffs rolling in.
It is commonly referred to as "The American Civil War" or just plain "Civil War", though Confederate supporters have a whole host of amusing names for it. It ran from April 1861 until some time in the spring of 1865, depending on how you want to define the end - Lee's surrender, Davis's capture, last Confederate troops surrender something else. I'm surprised you haven't come across it before.
Abolition was certainly on the minds of some yankees, but those in Washington were more concerned with preservation of the Union, as well as keeping those tariffs rolling in.
Half right. But you ignore the Southern motivation for starting the war. Their cause - secession, war, everything else - was motivated by their desire to protect and expand slavery.
“desire to protect and expand slavery. “
Which, curiously enough, was legal in the United States at that time, as well as much of the world.
You’d think we were the last country on earth to abolish slavery (it remains to this day, mostly in islamic countries), or at least the last one in the Americas (we weren’t).
P.S. I’m partial to ‘The Recent Unpleasantness’
It was. Abortion is legal in the U.S. and much of the world today. That doesn't mean that people don't oppose it and would like to see it done away with. Slavery was a legal practice seen as a moral evil by many, and the political party that was elected to the presidency in 1860 was out to limit slavery and set it up to die on the vine. People in one part of the country decided that protecting slavery was worth rebelling over..
You’d think we were the last country on earth to abolish slavery (it remains to this day, mostly in islamic countries), or at least the last one in the Americas (we weren’t).
But we were the only country where one section launched a bloody war to defend slavery.
P.S. I’m partial to ‘The Recent Unpleasantness’
I think the official name for 40 years or so afterwards was "War of Rebellion" or "War of Southern Rebellion". I'm a traditionalist.
I have nothing against those who fought to preserve the United Kingdom. That was a noble cause too.
My understanding is that the right of self determination was the founding principle of this nation. It seems that our government had forgotten this by the time of the Civil War.
The right to self-determination became preempted by the attack on Fort Sumter.
Try again. Article 1 Section DOES NOT say secession was unconstitutional. Secession is not rebellion. Rebellion is an act to overthrow the government. The Southern states did not want to overthrow the federal government. They wanted to be free and left alone to determine their own destiny. The American Revolution was far more a rebellion than was the “Civil War.”
No, you try again. Secession IS rebellion. The South rebelled, violently. Try looking up “The Alien And Sedition Act’’ while you’re at it.
Do you mean the Alien and Sedition Acts that expired in 1800? And were considered unconstitutional? Those Alien and Sedition Acts?
“It was and still is illegal to advocate or undertake the violent over throw of the federal government. The South rebelled violently and invaded the North— twice and was driven back and eventually defeated. Try seceding now bub and see how far it gets you.”
You need to read some history...bub. The federals invaded the South in 1861, along many fronts. The Army of Northern Virginia “invaded” Pennsylvania in the Summer of 1863, two years later. So, just who started the invasions?
Moreover, the South did not advocate or undertake the violent overthrow of the federal government. The South broke away from that government, leaving that government unthreatened and intact. The Confederacy had no intent whatsoever to overthrow the federal government.
The South split country in two in Dec. 1860. It opened the ball at Ft. Sumter on April 12,1861. You don’t like living in the US on any point of compass and want another flag to live under, then get out. Who needs you here bub?
Whenever you speak something is subtracted from the sum total of human knowledge.
And, bub: I served under the Stars and Stripes in the USAF during Vietnam. So don’t try to pull that crap on me. I suggest that you come here and try to kick me out. Do that, or shut the f*ck up.
Every time you think you weaken the nation.
America went on the decline without any effort from me.
I fought for this country during time of war. Did you?
Nope. Said here many times that was a regret of mine. In 1966 I was ten. In 1983 I was 27. But does serving your country allow one to make threats on the internet?
Those lowlife liberals are going after the US flag next!
Let ‘em. They’ll have dug their own graves. Even Hillery isn’t so stupid as to stand for that only because the craven, power-hungry b!tch knows she can’t get elected if she shows any support for something like that.
Could you tell me the specific article and section concerning secession. Thanks, I will be waiting, for ever.
Who made a threat?
You did. Listen bub, let me bottom line it for you, what’s your basic malfunction here? Is it just me you don’t like or are you pissed off because of the state of the nation? If you are I am too. Am I supposed to be impressed because you served your country? Big deal. Good for you. I regret I never served in the military and I’ve stated that many times here and my admiration for those who did is second to none but doesn’t mean I accord that same respect to an angry git like you. Now we can go on ‘round and ‘round here and somewhere at Democrat Underground is probably some two f***king liberals monitoring this conversation because believe me they do and they’re laughing saying “Look they’re fighting each other’’. So I’ll stop the name calling and bury the hatchet if you do too and let’s find a way to stop this ‘’flag banning sh!t’’ or just ignore each other. Deal?
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