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Navy divers to help raise Confederate warship artifacts
Fox News ^ | May 24, 2015 | AP

Posted on 05/25/2015 6:42:37 AM PDT by FourtySeven

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To: FourtySeven

Raising a Confederate ship is racist.


21 posted on 05/25/2015 10:08:36 AM PDT by The Great RJ (“Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Enemy combatants” put them in a sort of legal limbo as compared with the captured POW of a state. “

Actually, for AQ, the applicable term is “illegal combatant.”

A legal combatant is one that is serving a country, under a recognized chain of command, wearing a uniform, that sort of stuff.

An illegal combatant like AQ does not qualify for GC protections because they don’t meet the threshold and therefore can be held and/or prosecuted for crimes (such as murder) that would not be a crime if committed by a uniformed military.

AQ does not abide LOAC restrictions and that also removes them from GC protections.

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22 posted on 05/25/2015 10:29:25 AM PDT by Hulka
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Actually, for AQ, the applicable term is “illegal combatant.”

I think this simply reinforces my point.

23 posted on 05/25/2015 10:30:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yup.. .just being technically correct.


24 posted on 05/25/2015 10:51:06 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: rockrr

The CSN did enlist blacks into the ranks. Only Free Blacks of the highest caliber and they were given the same pay as whites. The Georgia wasn’t much of a ship and served most of her time as a floating battery. Now if they could find a real fighting Rebel Ironclad—like the CSS Manassas or the CSS Arkansas— that would be a find.


25 posted on 05/25/2015 11:13:56 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: rustbucket; wardaddy; stainlessbanner; Georgia Girl 2

Dixie Ping


26 posted on 05/25/2015 2:30:27 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: DiogenesLamp
You.can actually find all the answers to the legal status of the confederacy in the Prize Cases decision:
The law of nations is also called the law of nature; it is founded on the common consent, as well as the common sense, of the world. It contains no such anomalous doctrine as that which this Court are now for the first time desired to pronounce, to-wit, that insurgents who have risen in rebellion against their sovereign, expelled her Courts, established a revolutionary government, organized armies, and commenced hostilities are not enemies because they are traitors, and a war levied on the Government by traitors, in order to dismember and destroy it, is not a war because it is an "insurrection."

Whether the President, in fulfilling his duties as Commander-in-chief in suppressing an insurrection, has met with such armed hostile resistance and a civil war of such alarming proportions as will compel him to accord to them the character of belligerents is a question to be decided by him, and this Court must be governed by the decisions and acts of the political department of the Government to which this power was entrusted. "He must determine what degree of force the crisis demands." The proclamation of blockade is itself official and conclusive evidence to the Court that a state of war existed which demanded and authorized a recourse to such a measure under the circumstances peculiar to the case.


27 posted on 05/25/2015 4:40:05 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels." --Tom Waits)
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The law of nations is also called the law of nature; it is founded on the common consent, as well as the common sense, of the world. It contains no such anomalous doctrine as that which this Court are now for the first time desired to pronounce, to-wit, that insurgents who have risen in rebellion against their sovereign, expelled her Courts, established a revolutionary government, organized armies, and commenced hostilities are not enemies because they are traitors, and a war levied on the Government by traitors, in order to dismember and destroy it, is not a war because it is an "insurrection."

No doubt a British Judge would have said something similar had the British fought as hard as did the Union. What I find so amusing about this commentary is the appeal to natural law... You know, that thing our founders cited as justification for their rebellion?

Thanks for the amusement.

28 posted on 05/25/2015 5:42:29 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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No doubt a British Judge would have said something similar had the British fought as hard as did the Union.

No doubt. You're the one who thinks that pronouncing the magic words "self evident truth" allows you to do anything up to and including announcing that you're now a different country.

29 posted on 05/25/2015 6:11:01 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels." --Tom Waits)
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You're the one who thinks that pronouncing the magic words "self evident truth" allows you to do anything up to and including announcing that you're now a different country.

I believe it was the founders who said that.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

I just happen to agree with them. Obviously you don't.

30 posted on 05/25/2015 6:54:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: When do we get liberated?

‘...there is wording in Davis’s surrender...”

I wasn’t aware that Mr. Davis signed such a document.

Several armies did... “Captured Enemy Vessel” for an already scuttled ship seems like a federal invention.


31 posted on 05/25/2015 10:49:17 PM PDT by cqnc (Don't Blame ME, I voted for the American!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

So why can’t an individual do it?


32 posted on 05/26/2015 10:35:32 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels." --Tom Waits)
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