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Tesla introduces new $75,000 car: the Model S 70D (Entry Level)
CNN ^ | April 8, 2015 | Octavio Blanco and Peter Valdes-Dapena

Posted on 04/08/2015 10:54:33 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: WayneS

Both are reducing the taxes you owe, which is different from getting money outright. You don’t get the credit if you don’t have a greater tax liability.


21 posted on 04/08/2015 11:37:11 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: WayneS

Not quite. You’re confusing refundable vs non-refundable tax credits. Significant difference.


22 posted on 04/08/2015 11:38:23 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: WayneS

And no, the state of GA is _not_ giving me a $5000 check; they’re just letting me subtract $5000 from my tax liability (amounting to “you pay us cash, or you do something else we value at $5k”).


23 posted on 04/08/2015 11:40:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ctdonath2

Can you provide proof that “You don’t get the credit if you don’t have a greater tax liability”?


24 posted on 04/08/2015 11:43:03 AM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: WayneS

In the garage on Jackson north of 12th I walked up to the meter and it said free. However I did not confirm since I don’t have an electric car.


25 posted on 04/08/2015 11:43:17 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: ctdonath2

What is a “non-refundable tax credit”?


26 posted on 04/08/2015 11:44:23 AM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: C19fan

Can it tow my boat? If not I’ll keep my F250....


27 posted on 04/08/2015 11:45:12 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: cicero2k

It does not matter whether it said “free” or not.

The electricity used to charge a battery is NOT free.


28 posted on 04/08/2015 11:45:13 AM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

No the closest to perfect fuel for cars is as follows:

- An electric car charged on a grid supplied by hydroelectric power. THESE CARS RUN ON WATER THAT FALLS FROM THE SKY.

Nuclear power is a close second. You can also produce hydrogen from hydro and nuclear and use that in a fuel cell vehicle.

Oil derived fuels are for cross country vehicles. The vast majority of cars don’t wander more than 100 miles from home. And if you need a fossil fuel vehicle, diesel is superior in every aspect.


29 posted on 04/08/2015 11:49:10 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: ctdonath2

You’re serious?
Musk got taxpayer funding for the Tesla to the tune of 465 million.
Also, the Tesla gets that taxpayer subsidy just like the Volt.


30 posted on 04/08/2015 11:49:35 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: ctdonath2

Well.... It’s not at all hard to find ways that the government subsidizes the rich. Bank bailouts, all Obama’s green energy “investments”... the rich have power and use it to get stuff from the government. That’s one of the problems with big government it always enriches the elite who have the power to control it. I think Musk got some subsidies and loans and I’m sure some people with creative accountants get the tax break. As a rule, big government takes from the productive and gives to the connected. But Tesla has at least produced a product, made some innovations, and employed some people. That puts them way ahead of where lots of your tax money goes.


31 posted on 04/08/2015 11:57:00 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Go_Raiders
electric car charged on a grid supplied by hydroelectric power

The left doesn't want any hyrdroelectric power either---if you are talking about dams.

Canyons fill, habitat is submerged, the rivers silt up...in the western U.S. the big challenge is to hang on to the dams already in place.

32 posted on 04/08/2015 11:59:34 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Go_Raiders

“Fossil fuels,” really?

LOL.

Science shows that oil is a natural product the Earth generates constantly. It is absolutely NOT a “fossil fuel” derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/45838/#D1qTp7HAembWd75B.99


33 posted on 04/08/2015 12:01:33 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: ctdonath2
This “subsidy” (which yes I’m going to make a stink about on this thread) is NOT a transfer, it’s a non-refundable tax credit; it’s lowering someone’s taxes, not making them “negative”.

You greedy folk sure do love your Welfare...

34 posted on 04/08/2015 12:08:04 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Every driver with a "Ready For Hillary" bumper sticker had to scrape off a "Obama 12" bumper sticker)
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To: WayneS
Can you provide proof that “You don’t get the credit if you don’t have a greater tax liability”?

It would be the odd case for a person to have less than a $7,000 tax liability and have the money to drop 70 Grand on an "I'm a Good Person" badge.

35 posted on 04/08/2015 12:11:59 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Every driver with a "Ready For Hillary" bumper sticker had to scrape off a "Obama 12" bumper sticker)
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To: Haiku Guy

It would, indeed. But I’m sure it’s not impossible, either.


36 posted on 04/08/2015 12:13:19 PM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: WayneS

While ?I am wholeheartedly opposed to the tax credit, I have a minor point of correction. The EV tax credit is non-refundable. This means, that unlike EITC, there will be no check mailed to the taxpayer...the non-refundable tax credit can only bring the filer’s tax liability to zero, but not below it.

When the Volt first came out, I trolled the Volt boards. I discovered a lot of hipster do gooders were confused about this. They had bought the Volt, but were not getting the full $7,500 credit, because their tax liability wasn’t high enough....also meaning, IMHO, they had no business buying a $40k car.


37 posted on 04/08/2015 12:17:48 PM PDT by lacrew
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To: C19fan; LogicDesigner

EV Ping!............


38 posted on 04/08/2015 12:30:53 PM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: C19fan
Great Article in WSJ about Telsa and its challenages:

Tesla: Just Another Car Company

39 posted on 04/08/2015 12:44:04 PM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: WayneS

Absolutely. You get a certificate from the state stating you get the $5000 tax credit, and if you don’t use it on your state tax return within 5 years you lose whatever you didn’t use. When filling out the state tax return, you subtract the credit from your liability; if the result is negative, you carry that over to the next year; if your 5-year cumulative liability is under $5000, you don’t get the remainder. (If you want more “proof” than that, go look it up. I’m not doing research and posting extensive quotations & document copies just so you can glance at it and ignore it.)


40 posted on 04/08/2015 12:55:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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