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Apple already agreed to the tough Chinese rules that Obama is furious about (Chinese source)
Business Insider ^ | MAR. 5, 2015, 5:55 AM | ROB PRICE

Posted on 03/05/2015 6:11:27 PM PST by Swordmaker

Obama's sharp criticism on China's new rules for foreign technology companies has been undermined by the fact that Apple has already agreed to the plans, Quartz reports. . .

. . . Chinese state media also reported earlier this year that "Apple has agreed to accept China's security checks," but it's not clear exactly what this entails. The company has so far stayed mum on the subject. Encryption has been a hot topic recently, but it's extremely unlikely that the Apple will have offered up its encryption keys to allow the Chinese government a backdoor into secure communications. At the time of the launch of iOS 8, CEO Tim Cook wrote that the company has "never worked with any government agency from any country to create a backdoor in any of our products or services. We have also never allowed access to our servers. And we never will."

Quartz believes the checks Apple has agreed to will include providing source code to its products. This won't give the Chinese authorities access to encrypted communications, but it will let them make sure the devices aren't secretly spying on users. Giving up the source code also makes Apple users across the globe — not just in China — more vulnerable, as it gives China the ability to covertly look for obscure security flaws in the software and exploit them. . .

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1 posted on 03/05/2015 6:11:27 PM PST by Swordmaker
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Chinese source claims in the Chinese Government press that Apple has already agreed to reveal Apple source code to the Chinese government. . . contrary to statements. Since we are within the three week window of a major Apple announcement, FUD season is here. There may be some truth to this as the underlying source code of both Apple OS X and iOS is UNIX™, which is completely open source, Apple may have provided that. . . and other parts of OS X and iOS are also open source such as Safari, WEBKIT, CUPS, and other portions. However, Apple has stated categorically they would not and will not give them the keys to the data encryption. — PING!


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2 posted on 03/05/2015 6:17:06 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

I don’t know for sure, but rather than the Chinese getting back doors into Apple’s stuff, which Apple is dead set against, I suspect they wanted to have a look-see at the source code in order to give their own companies in China a foot up! China is all about that! They’re more interested in STEALING STUFF than anything else.


3 posted on 03/05/2015 6:28:35 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Swordmaker
I hate to say this, but I don't really see much difference between what the Chinese government requires -- openly -- and what the U.S. government (NSA, etc.) stole -- secretly.

Who's to say the NSA doesn't already have copies of Apple's source, pilfered or bought through subterfuge? Like they would admit to it if they did!?!

The fact is, governments have power, power corrupts, and both governments -- indeed all governments -- are fundamentally corrupt.

I'm going to take a "What The F**k Does It Matter?" attitude on this one. We're already raped. Our cherry was long ago busted by our own government, so what does it matter if the Chinese bastards have a go at us next?

(Sorry, I'm in sort of a mood at the moment...)

4 posted on 03/05/2015 7:36:59 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: Star Traveler
They’re more interested in STEALING STUFF than anything else.

Sure is easier than reverse-engineering stuff. Unless our government allows them to easily steal stuff that is purposely flawed to set other governments back (has happened). Sick of seeing China tout stuff as home-engineered when it's clearly rip-offs of American inventions.

5 posted on 03/05/2015 8:05:10 PM PST by roadcat
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Here is the source of the report from Quartz that Apple agreed to allow China access. . . not too informative since it's based on analysts and a single report from China's People's Daily:

"Apple is reportedly giving the Chinese government access to its devices for “security checks”The state-run People’s Daily is trumpeting a big win by the Chinese internet czar Lu Wei:


While there was no other information available on the paper’s website, the tweet echoes a report in the Beijing News (link in Chinese) that Apple chief executive Tim Cook informed Lu last month that Apple would let China’s State Internet Information Office conduct “security checks” on all products that it sells on the mainland. China has been concerned that Apple devices like the iPhone enable the company—or worse, US intelligence agencies—to spy on Chinese citizens.

“There were rumors that Apple built back doors in its devices, and let third parties have data and access those devices, but that was never true and that we would never do that in the future either,” Cook reportedly said. Lu Wei responded, according to the Beijing News, by saying: “It doesn’t matter what you say, you should let our internet safety department do a safety assessment. We need to reach our own conclusions to put the consumer at ease.”

What would “security checks” entail? Apple hasn’t provided any information on the matter and did not respond to requests for comment. But analysts said the most likely interpretation is that the company is giving Beijing access to its operating system source code in return for being able to continue to do business in China—arguably Apple’s most important market, but one that has been imperiled by regulatory obstacles.

“Handing over source code [would] mean that the Chinese government will know exactly how an Apple software works,” said Percy Alpha, a pseudonymous founder of the anti-censorship group GreatFire.org.

Inside knowledge would make it much easier for the Chinese government to find bugs and vulnerabilities in Apple’s products, he said, and “the government can then exploit such vulnerabilities to hack iPhone or MacBooks.” Hackers tried to infiltrate Apple’s iCloud servers in China in October, according to GreatFire, in an attempt to steal user credentials. In November, Apple blocked access to apps that were designed to steal data from Chinese iPhone users.

Most alarmingly, Alpha added, an agreement would mean that “Apple users world-wide are much more vulnerable to spying from the Chinese government.”

An Apple spokesman did not reply to an emailed request for comment. A voicemail left on Apple’s “media hotline” number in Hong Kong was not returned, nor was a email sent to the company’s PR team in Hong Kong.

Other analysts agreed Apple had probably promised to turn over its source code to China’s government, but disagreed about the consequences. The access would allow the Chinese government to “run spot checks” on how Apple is protecting user information, and to determine whether other intelligence agencies are trying to snoop on China, said Ben Cavender, a principal at China Market Research Group in Shanghai.

If that is in fact what has been agreed, it’s a landmark deal, Cavender said, and Apple has not generally provided such information to other governments.

“This is a unique situation where China is such an important market to Apple, and they need to be in it. They don’t have the leverage they might ordinarily have,” he said. Still, Cavendish said any agreement would be limited in scope.

“I find it improbable that the Chinese government will have access to anything outside China,” Cavender said. And if the Chinese government did manage to snoop Apple users or services outside the country, “someone at Apple would probably notice,” he said, which would limit the risk for Apple’s worldwide customer base.

Inside China, users are likely to be blasé about any attempts by the government to use its access to snoop on Apple users. “People here kind of operate under the assumption that the government is already looking at what they’re doing,” Cavender said.


6 posted on 03/05/2015 9:44:49 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

BTTT....


7 posted on 03/05/2015 9:58:16 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Star Traveler

Wouldn’t giving them access to Apple’s source code make it easier to hack on their own, as well?


8 posted on 03/06/2015 3:41:28 AM PST by tbw2
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To: tbw2

Breaking into the Asian market is a great way to lose money. They will drive up your costs trying to please them while they squeeze out your revenue with “discounts”.


9 posted on 03/06/2015 3:48:49 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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They do have a loose view of intellectual property. I believe there’s a trend where once you build your factory there, everything from designs to work instructions to tooling drawings get copied and used to build a factory to build the same product down the street - without paying you the royalties.


10 posted on 03/06/2015 8:10:35 AM PST by tbw2
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