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1 posted on 02/28/2015 8:40:57 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
The origin sof liberalism and athiesm:


2 posted on 02/28/2015 8:52:47 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Heartlander

Atheists who fight against religion are not true atheists because they fear that God does really exist. Real atheists would not worry about those poor benighted people who believe in God, except for his own children, perhaps. The rest hate the idea that there is some Authority who disapproves of their views and practices and think that if they can force a significant number of people to also “disbelieve” then God will go away or change his Mind.


3 posted on 02/28/2015 8:59:24 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: Heartlander
“Men became scientific because they expected law in nature and they expected law in nature because they believed in a legislator.”

Great C.S. Lewis quite there....

6 posted on 02/28/2015 9:06:46 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Heartlander

Stephen Hawking’s never existed..Hey, I’VE NEVER SEEN HIM!!


7 posted on 02/28/2015 9:15:47 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: Heartlander
I always thought that Christopher Hitchens had the worst argument for atheism. He used to say he didn't believe in God because he found the God of the Bible, particularly the Old Testament to be a disagreeable character, mean, spiteful etc... and that he found much of the morality of God's law in the OT reprehensible.

Well, that argument wouldn't pass logic 101. His personal feelings about God had no impact on God's existence or non-existence. One is subjective, the other objective.

I always that that was odd that an otherwise, seemingly intelligent man, would lean on such a weak logical argument. A lot of athiests do this, however.

8 posted on 02/28/2015 9:25:17 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Heartlander
I am an Atheist in as much as the Bible is concerned. The stories in it relate events that are simply impossible on their face. They are just fables.

Here is an example I like to use. Say it's 30 AD and you and some friends are walking down a street in Jerusalem and a woman comes screaming out of a house yelling My Son..My Son has drowned and is dead! She grabs you and drags you inside.

Inside you see the kid dead as a Mackerel. She begs you to help him. Shes screaming and invoking “God” You go to the kid and slap him. She's still screaming her head off and you are getting pissed. So you hit the brat in the chest! For some reason tou breath in his mouth. And suddenly...The kid coughs up water and breaths!

You must be a “God” You brought this woman's Son back from the dead! Your friends saw you do it. Soon enough you start to buy your own BS. This is how rumors start. And all you did was accidentally perform CPR 2000 before it was invented.

I like to live and let live. If believing gives you strength and hope and happiness then much the better. But it's really just so much nonsense.

9 posted on 02/28/2015 9:32:43 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Heartlander

My favorite: “Do you really believe there is some all powerful man in the sky that runs things?”

“No, I don’t believe there is an ‘all powerful man in the sky.’ You know who anthropomorphizes? Children. They do it a lot with animals. So, I suppose if I thought like a child - the way you are currently describing God - I *might* think he is an ‘all powerful man in the sky,’ but I’m a much more sophisticated thinker than that. I’m sorry you are not.”


10 posted on 02/28/2015 9:42:17 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Heartlander

There is an atheist day. Somehow it happens to fall on April 1 every year.


12 posted on 02/28/2015 9:49:56 AM PST by logic101.net (If libs believe in Darwin and natural selection why do they get hacked off when it happens?)
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To: Heartlander

Its certainly possible to doubt Jesus as the resurrected son of God if you’ve never received the spirit, but to deny that he ‘came in the flesh’ is odd even to the natural mind,

So how is it, they are so blind here? because its their desire that it be true,

However its no longer a simple choice for them after they’ve rejected the truth and embraced this world system and its worship of all things in the natural world ‘the flesh’ they instead worship the creature rather than the creator,

An so this is a spirit that now has influence and authority over them, one with an absolute hatred of the truth and denying Christs work which he fulfilled in the flesh, and that completed work also means it will bring that spirits torment when a future set time (known only to God) is finished on this physical Earth,

A set time which I believe is almost up called, ‘the fulness of the gentiles’ which is coming due with the transgressors (Israel of 32 AD) being restored (the people since 1948 and Jerusalem since 1967) as both a witness and fulfillment of the timing elements required by scripture (Leviticus Chapter 25 and Daniel Chapter 9 etc.,) which is, for them to now come to a future Jubilee, (Isaiah 63:4)

This is the same evil spirit that was already at work even in Johns day, (note the wording ‘come in the flesh’ vs. ‘come as the messiah’)

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” 1 John 4:3


13 posted on 02/28/2015 9:51:51 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: Heartlander

for later


15 posted on 02/28/2015 9:56:47 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Heartlander

They also use “OMG!” a lot in most of their text messages.


18 posted on 02/28/2015 10:05:23 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Illegal aliens are far superior to Americans. - So say the 'RATS and RINOs.)
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To: Heartlander
I'm not religious, I don't know what happens after you die. Afterlife? I sure don't know.

But atheists have to explain to me how matter came into existence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was told the first law of thermodynamics is matter is neither created nor destroyed.

Then if matter is not created, how did it come into existence? The answer would point to something supernatural. And that is one answer egoist atheists can't stand to consider.

21 posted on 02/28/2015 10:25:21 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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Through arrogance we take too much for granted and at face value. Especially atheist scientists.

As we try to explain nature through math and science, it is clear that what we call nature is bizarre and totally unexpected in a classical sense. It certainly raises the question about existence and reality.

In the end, it requires a leap of faith to be an atheist. Just like it requires a leap of faith to be a believer.

22 posted on 02/28/2015 10:27:19 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Heartlander

Ok. prove to me there are no living trex’s on earth


23 posted on 02/28/2015 10:29:36 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Heartlander

Even satan knows & believes in God - he just rejects His morals & values as do leftists.


24 posted on 02/28/2015 10:30:28 AM PST by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: Heartlander
OK for the most part, but 7 and 8 are very weak, and 11 is simply wrong.

The atheist denial of purpose isn't a denial of secular or human purposes. It's a denial that God has a purpose for us. So he's set up a straw man that's easily knocked down.

The typical atheist claim that there are no miracles isn't that science somehow makes miracles impossible, as the author [trivially] points out, since miracles are by definition things which defy scientific understanding, such a thing is by definition -- and quite trivially -- impossible. Atheists are not stupid [any more than any other cross section of the population] and they don't make arguments on the basis of logical contradictions. The atheist claim is that there are no miracles happening now. And that is an argument that Christian [or any other religion's] Apologists must answer. This article bypasses an important question by attributing something to atheists that they don't claim.

Finally, 11 is simply wrong. The quantum vacuum is NOT a sea of energy. It is NOTHING. And he should not be trying to make the argument in the way he does, because his breathtaking lack of knowledge about physics makes him look silly. [Although to be fair to the author, a lot of "popular" books about physics describe the vacuum this way. These descriptions, like the author's are just plain wrong.]

The argument is about contingent versus Necessary Reality. God is the only Necessary Reality. All other things, material or otherwise, including the laws of physics and metaphysics are contingent. The metaphysics of God's Mind precede all contingent realities. The quantum mechanical law that a vacuum in the material world necessarily causes creation ex nihilo is a fact. That such a law exists is a contingent reality which depends on a Necessary One. The author's discussion confuses laws with their effects and really does not make any sense.

Hawking's attempt to argue away God fails because even if the extant laws require outcomes [as Hawking correctly observes] that doesn't explain where the laws came from to begin with. It is an article of Hawking's atheistic faith that the laws themselves are the Necessary Reality; and that takes us back to atheism being fundamentally about faith, not science.

25 posted on 02/28/2015 10:31:52 AM PST by FredZarguna (Valar morghulis)
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To: Heartlander

11 silly things that some atheists say.....here’s one:

Don’t pray for me.


28 posted on 02/28/2015 10:35:34 AM PST by freedom6178
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To: Heartlander

A true atheist believes in no God
Atheism is not an argument about if you like or hate God Or Deny the existence of a historical somebody that claim they are God

I may not like Islam..I deny the truth of Islam and or the divinity of Islam and its false Prophet Muhammad of Islam that makes me an atheist of Islam

But I do not deny Islam exists... that’s stupid and its irrelevant to the truth or non truth...

The irony is believers of any one faith is an atheist in the beliefs of all other faith except there’s..just like the atheist that believe in on god what so ever....

The Bible is full of God renouncing other false gods so God is a mono theist and is one God short of being a full atheist

Saying something is false it’s different than denying something doesn’t exist


33 posted on 02/28/2015 10:45:24 AM PST by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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I am agnostic and as long as another persons religion does not involve cutting my head off, I fully support and encourage their free exercise of that religion.


39 posted on 02/28/2015 11:40:20 AM PST by Random Access
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