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I hate Ayn Rand — but here's why my fellow conservatives love her
The Week ^ | 1/23/2015 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Posted on 01/21/2015 4:06:39 PM PST by iowamark

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Re: the libs. I see a parallel with the black community, the inner city ‘hood, with no foundation in the Bible, they fall easy prey to Islam. And with the Mormons. People with a Biblical foundation do not fall prey to the claims of Mormonism.

Most libertarians I know, with very few exceptions, are not Biblicists, which is why they fall prey to the Hedonist, dope smoking, homo, and same sex marriage libertarian movement. Most of them, like Ann Rand, far from having a Bible foundation, are atheists.

Anyone with a true understanding of the scriptures, know automatically that Islam, Mormonism, and libertarianism, are false.


61 posted on 01/21/2015 7:34:59 PM PST by sasportas
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To: Responsibility2nd

From a little later in the same interview with Ronald Reagan ...

But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

http://reason.com/archives/1975/07/01/inside-ronald-reagan

On the meta level, my reason for producing Reagan’s thoughts on libertarianism was in response to your evinced hatred of libertarians. You don’t come across to me as being a socon extremist, but maybe I am in error.


62 posted on 01/21/2015 8:39:22 PM PST by sparklite2
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To: iowamark

Conservatives like Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry will lay down and die without so much as a whimper when the collectivist mobs overtake the country. He sounds like Hillary with his squishy empathy talk and judging by the tone of his writing is lacking in humility. Not exactly qualities needed to be a intellectual leader.


63 posted on 01/21/2015 8:56:40 PM PST by Al Gore Vidal
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To: mountainlion
Her book came across as a satire to me and almost as good as the book 1984.

As if you read it.

64 posted on 01/22/2015 1:26:19 AM PST by Misterioso (The essence of life is the achievement of joy, not the escape from pain. - Ayn Rand)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

He was a greater Communist, as in Soviet agent.


65 posted on 01/22/2015 1:27:58 AM PST by Misterioso (The essence of life is the achievement of joy, not the escape from pain. - Ayn Rand)
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To: huckfillary

Right on the money.


66 posted on 01/22/2015 1:30:37 AM PST by Misterioso (The essence of life is the achievement of joy, not the escape from pain. - Ayn Rand)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Very well said. Thanks.


67 posted on 01/22/2015 6:04:21 AM PST by stylecouncilor
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To: Misterioso

As if you read it.

I read both. Throw in Animal Farm also, which was written by a distant relative.

Atlas Shrugs is is about a place and time with a government much like ours. They do not have a clue what they are doing and screw up the whole country. 1984 is a book about a country under full NSA surveillance.

Did you read them?


68 posted on 01/22/2015 6:25:52 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

Ha ha.


69 posted on 01/22/2015 6:28:47 AM PST by Misterioso (The essence of life is the achievement of joy, not the escape from pain. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Clump
But that doesn’t make her insight into human nature and free market principles any less noteworthy

Yes! Thank you!

You don't have to accept every thought, idea or opinion of Rand to say that a great many of her writings accurately describe the state of our world today. She had tremendous insight as an economic historian, and she clearly defined the "good guys" from the "bad" ones in her books. Those conservatives that do like her appreciate the conservative approach to Rand's economics, her desire to show personal responsibility as a virtue, and her world view that a heavy-handed, highly-regulated and burdensome is bad for individual freedom. We can like all of that and disagree with her views on abortion, religion and overt selfishness.

70 posted on 01/22/2015 6:33:22 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: sparklite2

Once again you failed to cut/paste the most relevant part of that interview. The one where he clearly distances himself from libertarianism.

But even if Reagan was stretching then; trying to find something nice to say about this failed philosophy, one thing is clear now:

Reagan would be adamantly against it today. The Ron/Rand Pauls and Gary Johnson that are their lib leaders, the pro-abortion, pro-dope, open borders agenda. The gross immorality and anti-conservative rhetoric that is today’s libertarianism.

This is why I said upthread - I hate libertarians.


71 posted on 01/22/2015 6:53:19 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: iowamark
As a Canadian university student, I embraced The Greening of America. At grad school in the U.S., I was introduced to Ayn Rand by a another grad student. My life was transformed.
72 posted on 01/22/2015 8:25:52 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Misterioso
He repented and atoned.

Ayn Rand and her followers (e.g. Greenspan) have neither repented nor atoned for their misdeeds.

73 posted on 01/22/2015 10:22:36 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I don’t accept his “atonement.” Treason isn’t atonable.


74 posted on 01/22/2015 11:26:06 AM PST by Misterioso (The essence of life is the achievement of joy, not the escape from pain. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Misterioso
RE: Chambers' atonement

From Wikipedia:

In 1984, President Ronald Reagan posthumously awarded Chambers the Presidential Medal of Freedom, for his contribution to "the century's epic struggle between freedom and totalitarianism".

If it was good enough for President Ronald Reagan it's good enough for me.

75 posted on 01/22/2015 2:22:57 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

As if he could subtract Chambers’ contribution to communism’s death and destruction. I guess your argument against communism is that it is atheistic. My argument goes deeper.


76 posted on 01/22/2015 2:48:26 PM PST by Misterioso (The essence of life is the achievement of joy, not the escape from pain. - Ayn Rand)
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