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Airbus’s Flagship Plane May Be Too Big To Be Profitable (A380 ‘Super-Jumbo’)
Manchester Guardian via Business Insider ^ | Dec. 28, 2014, 10:38 AM | Karl West

Posted on 12/28/2014 9:50:25 AM PST by Olog-hai

Tom Enders stared at the phone on his desk as it began to ring. The Airbus boss had been expecting a call to his office in Toulouse. It was Tim Clark, chief executive of Dubai-based airline Emirates, the biggest buyer of the planemaker’s A380 “superjumbo”.

Clark was angry. He wanted to know why Airbus finance director Harald Wilhelm had just raised the prospect of the death of the A380.

The aircraft cost $25 billion (£16 billion) to develop, but it has struggled to chalk up the large orders Airbus had envisioned, at $440 million each. So far, it has just 318 orders, compared with the 1,200 that Airbus thought airlines needed in that size category—it carries around 550 passengers—when it began marketing in 2000.

Wilhelm sparked panic among Airbus customers and shareholders when he told analysts it would break even on the aircraft up until 2018, “if we would do something on the product, or even if we would discontinue the product”. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel
KEYWORDS: 787; a380; airbus; angelamerkel; boeing; dubai; emmanuelmacron; europeanunion; eussr; france; germany; haraldwilhelm; macron; nato; superjumbo; timclark; tomenders; unitedarabemirates; unprofitable
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1 posted on 12/28/2014 9:50:25 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I guess Boeing may have been right not to build a plane bigger then the 747.


2 posted on 12/28/2014 9:54:35 AM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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There were concepts of the 747 as a double-deck plane in the past. Even Lockheed envisioned a double-deck passenger version of the C5A Galaxy as the “L500”.


3 posted on 12/28/2014 9:56:13 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Super giant planes are, in my opinion, a terrible idea for passengers. Loading and unloading will take an hour, you will be crammed into the middle of five person rows, service will be awful, and they would reduce the number of flights, resulting in less comfort and fewer options.

I'm glad it's failing.

4 posted on 12/28/2014 10:00:39 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Olog-hai

This plane was betting on the hub concept. Boeing’s 787 is betting on direct flight - which is why it has such a long range.


5 posted on 12/28/2014 10:04:26 AM PST by microgood
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To: Olog-hai

This was predicted to happen all the way back when Airbus originally announced this plane.


6 posted on 12/28/2014 10:05:10 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Olog-hai

Kinda strange to have people say such things just after fuel declines?


7 posted on 12/28/2014 10:06:56 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Olog-hai

The A-380 is more suited for FedEx. And I once saw a model of a FedEx C-17 at Nellis AFB.


8 posted on 12/28/2014 10:10:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Olog-hai

Looks like it has more center seats than any other airplane.


9 posted on 12/28/2014 10:12:23 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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A terrorists’ dream come true.


10 posted on 12/28/2014 10:13:32 AM PST by dfwgator
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“A terrorists’ dream come true.”
Or a design engineers nightmare when the tail falls off on that big one.
500 passengers die in one plane crash?
No thanks.....


11 posted on 12/28/2014 10:21:26 AM PST by 9422WMR ("Ignorance can be cured by education, but stupidity is forever.")
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To: Olog-hai

at $440 million each, it is$200 million less than an F35. I suggest militarizing Super Jumbos would make sense.


12 posted on 12/28/2014 10:21:26 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Olog-hai

There’s an efficient/cost effective/profitable size for a passenger jet and it isn’t a jet propelled zeppelin.


13 posted on 12/28/2014 10:21:48 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: dfwgator

Plus the jet ways all have to be reconfigured to accommodate the plane.


14 posted on 12/28/2014 10:23:13 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Groupthink is torture. Arrest liberal college professors.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Apparently the biggest problem for double-deck passenger aircraft is the need for customized jetway bridges to access the plane.

It takes 45 minutes to load an A380 using two jetway bridges to its lower deck; adding a third bridge to the upper deck reduces that time to a little over a half hour.


15 posted on 12/28/2014 10:24:49 AM PST by Olog-hai
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The thing that is hurting the A380-800 is this:

This is the Boeing 777-9X, soon to be called the 777-9 (or maybe 777-900). It has almost the same pax/cargo capacity as the 747-400, but with way lower fuel burn and nearly 1,000 nautical miles more range. And the order book for the 777-9X is already 243 planes.

16 posted on 12/28/2014 10:25:22 AM PST by RayChuang88 (Ferguson: put your hands down and go to work!)
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To: RayChuang88

Nice looking jet.


17 posted on 12/28/2014 10:29:53 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: RayChuang88

The 777 is the most comfortable plane on which I have ever flown (in coach).


18 posted on 12/28/2014 10:57:21 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: pierrem15

I agree with this. Flew one from Narita to O’hare a nice ride.


19 posted on 12/28/2014 11:00:51 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Olog-hai

Ive flown on the A380 twice ... once LA to China on China South...total cattle car but the airline itself just sucked

And once Sydney to LA on Qantas.. that was not bad...

Really its the Airline


20 posted on 12/28/2014 11:06:35 AM PST by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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