There was nothing mythical about it. The choke hold need not completely cut off all breathing/speaking. For a guy with his issues cutting off even 20% of oxygen might be fatal.
Posted on 12/05/2014 10:50:12 AM PST by dennisw
Eric Garner was a well known pest who had been selling illegal untaxed loose cigarettes right in front of retail businesses that sold legal tax stamped cigarettes and been arrested for selling such untaxed cigarettes many times. He had previously been arrested on many occasions not for selling loosies but for selling smuggled, untaxed cigarettes.Police came to arrest Garner due to local business owners complaints. In fact he had been arrested by the same officer previously but did not resist. Garner recognized this officer. This time he put up resistance and the smaller police officers had to swarm him to take him down and into custody.
Garner did not die from some mythical choke hold. When in a choke hold you are unable to speak. But Garner did speak saying "I can't breathe" a few times. But the police ignored his protestations. Why? Because they knew that they were not stopping his breathing. However the police thought he was trying to fake them out, to get free again. Why? Because he had been resisting them.
The officers did not understand that Garner was suffering from an asthma attack which was what he really died from. So I see mistakes by Garner here who knew he had serious asthma problems partly from his obesity and bad physical condition but chose to resist arrest. Then the police were also to blame for not understanding that Garner was a serious asthmatic and that his protestations were for real. I would not punish these police for this miscalculation.
Once again. Garner died from an asthma attack. In my book a self induced one. Not from a choke hold.
Why do you hate black people? </sarc>
Once again. Garner died from an asthma attack. In my book a self induced one. Not from a choke hold.
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Not according to the autopy. He died of a cardiac arrest.
In my book...
Ah ha! Where’s humblegunner when you need him.
Those issues are fine. Here is my issue: the grand jury is not supposed to determine guilt or innocence.
They are to determine if a crime has been committed and if there is enough material for a prosecution to go forward.
A man died in police custody. A man died when he expressed concern over his ability to breath. There is ample evidence that these events happened. Whether or not the police were guilty of any crime is irrelevant.
There will be those who ask “What crime was committed?”
Negligence. Which is a minor crime. Even as minor as the selling of an untaxed cigarette. But it is still a crime.
Anyone know if the NYPD has tasters. Was the sergeant carrying one?
Tasters? Tough populous if you need to have tasters. Lol
IBTZ!!!!!
I love my auto text.
Garner ultimately died because he sought to deny the IRS their cut of his take.
Would have, should have, could have is not a game that deals with what happened.
A man died in police custody. From just the video, it is my opinion, and it is just my opinion, that there may have been criminal negligence on the part of the arresting officers.
If there was the possibility of criminal negligence, then it needed to be submitted to a court.
So if the police has not been there, he would have died from an asthma attack anyway?
While your sentiments are correct, your facts are not.
It was the State of New York who was being denied their cut of the take. Not the IRS.
/nitpicking
He had asthma? I guess he should have stayed away from cigarettes!
“that there may have been criminal negligence on the part of the arresting officers.”
Does that include the Black female sergeant that was supervising the arrest, and who received immunity to testify?
There was nothing mythical about it. The choke hold need not completely cut off all breathing/speaking. For a guy with his issues cutting off even 20% of oxygen might be fatal.
I’ll leave that to the DA. Just wondering why no one addressed the NYPD and the policy of tasers. If the sergeant was carrying one then it was available. If not, why not.
Sorry that’s too hypothetical for you.
If there was the possibility of criminal negligence, then it needed to be submitted to a court.
It was. The Grand Jury. And they ruled based on all the testimony presented before them.
I think they reached the right conclusion. But I also think public pressure will spur the DA to prosecute anyway.
Police know where the untaxed cigarettes originate. If they wanted to end the problem they would start there. Just like the chemicals used to make crank, railroad tank cars roll into Mexico for the drug cartels to use. attack the source, not the poor users.
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