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Evangelicals with gay children challenging church (AP vs. Christianity)
Associated Press ^ | Nov 27, 2014 2:00 PM EST | Rachel Zoll

Posted on 11/27/2014 12:19:37 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai

A great book to read is called “Is God AntiGay”
It is written by Sam Allberry a pastor in England who has SSA (same sex attraction).
The main difference with him is that he supports the biblical interpretation of homosexuality. That it is a sin and homosexuals should be celibate. It is their cross to bear in this life. In the book he says he is not defined by his sexuality but rather by who he is in Christ. Therefore a life dedicated to glorify God is what SSA Christians should emulate and the homosexual lifestyle is NOT such a life that would glorify Him.

Very good read.


41 posted on 11/27/2014 1:58:16 PM PST by polishprince
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To: Olog-hai

Proverbs 30:6

Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you, and you be proven a liar.

This is what these two unbelievers want to do. Glad they have outed themselves so Christians can see the wolves among them.


42 posted on 11/27/2014 2:05:09 PM PST by RginTN
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To: miss marmelstein

I grew up at that time, too-but I grew up on a ranch, and in the military, when my dad was someplace deemed safe for dependents. Neither is a sheltered environment-on military bases we were exposed to other cultures and people who were very different from us. Their culture was sometimes totally different from ours-it must have given my parents quite a mental workout, but they always made sure we didn’t get any wild ideas from gossip-we also learned to be totally colorblind, as was required.

In a rural setting, we were far from cities and hyped sexuality-but the cold hard facts of sex and reproduction are right there in the pastures and pens, the same as where meat really comes from-hunting, slaughtering, butchering, etc-since it was impossible to keep us from seeing all that, and given that we were going to participate in it if we chose the rural life, my parents and other relatives answered all of our questions right then and there in an age-appropriate manner, with language city people considered vulgar, and explained all so that we understood it. I’ve always been grateful, and my husband and I did the same for our kid.


43 posted on 11/27/2014 2:15:44 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: luckystarmom

He told them in no uncertain terms to stop sinning, and did not allow any such sinners (save Judas, who betrayed him) to follow him.


44 posted on 11/27/2014 2:19:02 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Scripture is clear.


45 posted on 11/27/2014 2:28:15 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Olog-hai

Isaiah 5:20 applies.


46 posted on 11/27/2014 2:28:59 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: aimhigh
I wager 4 to 6 years for the Catholic church.

And you will lose that bet. It will NEVER happen with the Catholic Church.

47 posted on 11/27/2014 2:44:32 PM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: Olog-hai

“They either reject their child and hold onto their faith, or they reject their faith and hold onto their child. Rob and I think you can do both: be fully affirming of your faith and fully hold onto your child.”

Hmmm...Jesus said:

“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.” - Matt 10:37


48 posted on 11/27/2014 2:54:09 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: luckystarmom

Nor did he banish them from his sight...


49 posted on 11/27/2014 3:02:08 PM PST by bike800
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To: Olog-hai

“Evangelicals” that don’t know the Gospel will fail and wither away-or they’ll come to the knowledge of the truth.


50 posted on 11/27/2014 4:11:32 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: struggle

Exactly. A twelve year old boy has no real understanding of sexuality. I have a gay daughter, at twelve she was merely a lover of the outdoors, hardly an indicator of her future sexuality.
No, you do not send them to counseling, that has to be their choice.
But they need to understand that practicing homosexuality is a sin and a repentent Christian will choose to be celibate.


51 posted on 11/27/2014 4:18:42 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: aimhigh; verga
If I were a betting person, I would take you on with that wager. The Catholic Church will never approve same-sex genital gratification or same-sex marriage.

What worries me TODAY is not some (actuall impossibele) change in formal doctrine, but the de-facto acceptance of "gay culture" --- basically in two forms:

Being "squishy" on discipline is just as destructive as being wrong on doctrine; in some ways, more destructive.
52 posted on 11/27/2014 4:44:30 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: Olog-hai; luckystarmom
He didn't allow any sinners to follow him except Judas, who betrayed him; Peter, who denied him three times; and all the rest, who (except for one) took off for the tall grass and abandoned Him.

That leaves John, and Jesus' mother Mary, at the foot of the cross. There they were: the Church.

53 posted on 11/27/2014 4:49:56 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: goodwithagun

+1


54 posted on 11/27/2014 4:56:11 PM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: luckystarmom

Jesus still loved people even though they were sinners.
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He also told them to repent (and change) and if they didn’t he let me go their own way. Love has a heavy dose of truth telling......................


55 posted on 11/27/2014 5:14:38 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: verga

As I have said before: Within 50 years it will be the Catholic Church alone standing against same sex unions.


Don’t be so smug. The Methodist Church officially is against same sex unions yet have been invaded by liberals and your precious Catholic Church is in the same boat.............


56 posted on 11/27/2014 5:18:10 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: driftdiver

More likely somebody buggered him.


57 posted on 11/27/2014 6:14:46 PM PST by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: Olog-hai

Hmmm. I’m sure Satan is loving using Christians to try to bring down the Church, in the name of compassion for their children.


58 posted on 11/27/2014 6:49:25 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: editor-surveyor
A 12 year old boy who says he’s gay has obviously been abused and lied to.

I'm inclined to agree.

59 posted on 11/27/2014 6:51:55 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sorry; unrepentant sinners.


60 posted on 11/27/2014 6:58:36 PM PST by Olog-hai
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