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Rachel Maddow says Obama's proposed immigration move on 'same scale' as action by George H.W. Bush
Tampa Bay Times ^ | 11-20-2014 | Jon Greenburg

Posted on 11/20/2014 5:55:14 PM PST by murron

President Barack Obama’s unilateral move to lift the risk of deportation for millions of undocumented immigrants has so incensed rank-and-file Republicans, their leaders are actively tamping down potential cries for impeachment. MSNBC host Rachel Maddow said that sort of outrage is "bogus," and she went to the history of the immigration debate to prove it.

(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...


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KEYWORDS: illegalimmigrants
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Is this true? I'm in a heated online debate about this and I know there must be more details on this. Any information or citations would be a big help. Thank you.
1 posted on 11/20/2014 5:55:14 PM PST by murron
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Does someone have to tell that woman how to breathe? Her logic is beyond belief ... well no it’s not. It’s MSNBC.


2 posted on 11/20/2014 5:56:39 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: murron

No not true.


3 posted on 11/20/2014 5:57:08 PM PST by Red Steel
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George H.W. Bush thing was watch my lips ,LOL


4 posted on 11/20/2014 5:57:11 PM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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Liberals rationalize like children.

Does this nice young man know that much of Bush's own base raised hell when he tried to promote amnesty via legal means?

5 posted on 11/20/2014 5:58:38 PM PST by skeeter
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Until there is a real EO promulgated, you are fortune telling.

I hear lots of yapping from the dems, but I don't see an EO. Don't let them live in your head for free.

/johnny

6 posted on 11/20/2014 5:59:07 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: murron

Apples and oranges. Rachel is 20% correct and 80% blowhard.


7 posted on 11/20/2014 6:01:12 PM PST by realcleanguy
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I don’t know, but based from that article first paragraph alone. Theres a difference between forestalling deportation and amnesty. That be like not punishing anyone who refuse to pay their taxes vs giving everyone’s tax rate 10%. Its a difference from prioritizing prosecution with limited resources vs changing the law


8 posted on 11/20/2014 6:01:13 PM PST by 4rcane
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This is childish logic. Just because someone on the other side of the political aisle does something, that does not make it good or right.


9 posted on 11/20/2014 6:03:49 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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e.g After 9/11 A Police Department may prioritize resources to fight terrorism vs resources investigating bank robbery. It doesn’t mean bank robbery is now legal, its just that they’re focused on counter-terrorism vs bank robbery

Obama is not prioritizing resources he’s basically saying bank robbery is now legal


10 posted on 11/20/2014 6:04:26 PM PST by 4rcane
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Maddow said Obama’s proposed executive action on immigration policy is roughly on the same scale as one taken by Bush. The estimates of how many people would be affected by the policies of both presidents, compared to total number of undocumented immigrants at the time support the claim. Both measures unilaterally lifted or would lift the risk of deportation from about 40 percent of the reported population.

We rate the claim True.
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It would appear to be about the same.

Do not shoot the messenger.


11 posted on 11/20/2014 6:04:27 PM PST by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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This will help

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/11/reagan-and-bush-41-provide-no-precedent-for-obamas-amnesty-by-executive-order.php


12 posted on 11/20/2014 6:04:29 PM PST by realcleanguy
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To: Red Steel

So it didn’t happen at all?


13 posted on 11/20/2014 6:06:49 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: JRandomFreeper

So it didn’t happen?


14 posted on 11/20/2014 6:07:35 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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I haven't seen an EO yet. I've heard lots of yelling, but I haven't seen an EO. Have you? Or have you just heard a bunch of people yelling about some EO that Obama may do?

/johnny

15 posted on 11/20/2014 6:09:58 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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on further reading of that article, the claim that is true is somewhat misleading. They’re not saying its true based on the legality of the issue, but based on how many ppl are being effected. It depends how you define “scale”.

So if both actions were legal, they’re roughly the same “scale”


16 posted on 11/20/2014 6:12:37 PM PST by 4rcane
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Next month, when Obama sends all da white folks to FEMA camps, Maddow may dismiss it as “on the scale of what FDR did to the Japanese-Americans”.


17 posted on 11/20/2014 6:14:03 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Democrats have a lynch mob mentality. They always have.)
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This coming from Maddow right? She telling us the whole truth? I The usual lying by omission. Bush and Reagan acted under the federal statute of the Simpson-Mazzoli Act 1986. Obama has none but himself.


18 posted on 11/20/2014 6:14:14 PM PST by Red Steel
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We know there’s a vigorous debate whether the current move has the same legal standing as the executive actions taken by Bush and by President Ronald Reagan for that matter. Our focus here is simply on the numbers, with a hat tip to Vox for their work on this.

LOL! In other words, they won't bother to figure out if action both presidents took is the same, they'll just rate as "TRUE" that is affected the same percentage of people.

Oh brother.

19 posted on 11/20/2014 6:23:32 PM PST by VeniVidiVici
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I hearby give all of Rachael Maddow’s current and future posessions to the illegal immigrants. They can fight over their share.


20 posted on 11/20/2014 6:25:51 PM PST by MtnClimber (Take a look at my FR home page for Colorado outdoor photos!)
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