Posted on 09/26/2014 8:52:08 AM PDT by Blackyce
He was a better shot. Dead men tell no tales. Ever wonder why they keep shooting until the target is blown to shreds? The different results in these two cases is one reason. If this guy had died, FReepers and others would be talking about the "thug" who threatened the brave cop.
“Well, is it possible that the cop in the Ferguson/Michael Brown case freaked out in a similar manner? Not saying he did, but this case proves that such things do happen.”
Entirely possible. Cops have learned to say the right words. “He reached for his waist band”, “He made a furtive gesture”, etc. Always something hard to disprove. The cop screws up, lies, and other LE and badge lickers don’t even want to question his version of events.
There was one a year or so back, where a cop shot a kid “For trying to run him over with a stolen car.”
Cops were buying his crap hook line and sinker, but a basic investigation showed the car was in reverse. opps.
“He was a better shot. Dead men tell no tales. Ever wonder why they keep shooting until the target is blown to shreds? The different results in these two cases is one reason. If this guy had died, FReepers and others would be talking about the “thug” who threatened the brave cop.”
Cops have a new trick. We have to ‘secure’ the area, and take long enough to let the victim expire. Jose out in Pima AZ for one. They made sure he had lots of time to expire, and blocked medical aid. Small house is that hard to secure? Bull.
Someone shot too soon, then sympathy fire started. “We screwed up. Now what? Let him die, so only our side gets told.”
They said he aimed an AR at them. But it was safed. Who really believes and combat vet Marine would mistakenly go into a potential gun fight with his weapon on safe?
We keep getting these cops lying to CYA, and other cops not questioning it. Then they and the boot lickers wonder why people don’t trust cops. There was a time you could take a cop at his word. Probably wasn’t really that true even then, but you certainly can’t now.
“I am in NO WAY condoning this cop, however; when ever asked for my license, I always show the palm of one hand, and slowly reach for my wallet, with the other. I tell the cop exactly what I am doing (”reaching in my pocket, sir”), and if possible, slowly rotate my body, so he can observe my hand going in my back pocket. Just as the cop wants to go home alive that day, so do I.”
Not everyone has much experience with cops. And most don’t realize how cowardly they are. And bluntly, I should not have to live in fear of the cop when interacting with him. I do, and should be able to expect that he has enough self control not to over react. Being a cop is NOT as dangerous as in the movies. Not even in the top ten of dangerous jobs.
They need to get over the craven fear, or get out.
“I sense they are becoming paranoid as they are becoming more frequent targets while on the street and are often outgunned...
I’m not buying that.”
I’m with half on that one. That is nonsense. LE is safer than ever, not even in the top ten dangerous jobs. I think the numbers have most cops dying from traffic accidents, rather than violence.
And out gunned? Nonsense again. Most cops have sidearms of significant quality, and some that the general public can’t get. And more and more have ARs and other weapons.
It isn’t like full fun auto weapons are used against cops every day, like in movies.
This is really about cops not held to professional standards. Remember the Dorner hunt and the shooting at three innocent people for no reason? No one was punished. Nor is that alone. What message does that send? It sends the message that cops can screw up by the numbers and get away with it.
Cops need the message hammered home. REASONABLE FEAR. Maybe a few more get hammered for shooting innocent people, the rest will learn to control their shoot first reactions. Cops need to fear making a mistake. Right now, they don’t fear mistakes.
Thanks for your reply; I feel similar to you. I worked for a while in downtown Santa Ana, and witnessed events turn ‘sideways’, real quickly. I am an odds player, so I do whatever I can to keep those odds in my favor. FReegards !
I'd bet not.We saw,just moments before his death,that this "giant" was anything by "gentle".We have no evidence of such inclinations in the guy in SC.In fact,his reactions after having been shot suggest to me that he probably is a decent,reasonable type of guy.I doubt that I would have been nearly as civil in the same situation.
Ya,nonsense isn’t it? He clearly has in him mind, “Shoot first”. He had his game plan, and used it. A lot of cops seem to go to work whispering. “Must shoot first. Must shoot first.” They work themselves up, mess up, then want understanding. (comment censored by poster)
He is supposed to be a professional. That has obligations. He is supposed to have self control. I don’t care what his motivations were. Use of deadly force is supposed to require REASONABLE fear. This was not it. Cops have lost any concept of what reasonable fear is.
Too many are too quick to shoot. They need a few punished cops to remind them that THERE ARE LIMITS TO WHAT WE’LL ACCEPT.
Excuses only go so far, then someone has to pay the price for bad decisions.
Belated reply: Even in this case, I’m surprised that nobody found it odd that the victim went to retrieve his driver’s license (or registration, whatever it was) from the BACK SEAT of his car. How many people keep either their license or registration in the back seat? The license is usually in your wallet, and the registration in the visor pocket or glove compartment. So I can at least see why the cop was suspicious, which is not to justify what he did.
“Belated reply: Even in this case, I’m surprised that nobody found it odd that the victim went to retrieve his driver’s license (or registration, whatever it was) from the BACK SEAT of his car. How many people keep either their license or registration in the back seat? The license is usually in your wallet, and the registration in the visor pocket or glove compartment. So I can at least see why the cop was suspicious, which is not to justify what he did.”
Because it wasn’t relevant. Simply put, just because most people don’t keep it in the back, doesn’t make the cop’s actions any better. He had not one threatening action taken against him. That is the only justification for deadly force. Not that you think it MIGHT happen.
A cop’s opinion on where a license should be in not of any interest to me.
This is the result of other cops, like in the Dorner hunt, not being taken to task. If some of these shootings and mistakes had been treated as they deserve, other cops would start learning there mistakes have limits.
I’m fully convinced that shootings like in the Dorner hunt, and others, mistakes like the cop who was working his computer while driving and killed a guy, all of these events have sent cops a message.
Screw up, we’ll shield you from consequences. COPS ARE GETTING CARELESS. They don’t fear making a mistake.
Well cops are suppose to be professionals. And being a professional has professional standards of getting it right.
My wallet can be all over the place. Under the seat usually. Sometimes in a computer bag in the front seat, or back seat. Sometimes in a jacket.
I try to keep it under the front seat with my registration. Have it on the dash as the cop comes over. Interior light on, hands on the wheel, window down by the time he gets there. And VERY polite.
If I couldn’t find it before he got there I would make sure to tell him what I was doing “Um - I think it is in my jacket in the back seat with that other stuff. Can I reach back and try to find it? And then move slowly.”
There was a guy back in college on a road trip with another kid. They got pulled over as the cops thought they were criminals based on the car description. Things went south when the kid yelled at the cop right off the bat.
Ended up with one of the guys getting the gun of one of the cops to get the other cop to stop beating the other guy. Of course back-up showed up soon afterwards. They ended up in prison for awhile.
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