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Satanists Invoke Hobby Lobby, Say Pro-Life Laws Violate Their Religious Beliefs
life news ^ | Carole Novielli

Posted on 07/30/2014 7:33:16 AM PDT by Morgana

Following the Hail Satan chant in during laws that would restrict late term abortions in the state of Texas, a new effort is underway by the Satanic Temple to interject “religious protection for women with health needs that are being complicated by unreasonable laws.”

In a statement released Monday, the Satanic Temple said that it will use the Supreme Court’s recent Hobby Lobby decision to exempt its believers from state-mandated informed consent laws that require women considering abortions to read pro-life material.

MSNBC which drank the Koolaid reports that,”in other words, the Satanic Temple wanted a conscience clause from laws intended to dissuade women from having abortions by mandating an ultrasound or that a doctor impart biased or medically-inaccurate information about abortion.”

“We will follow up with a legal suit if and when the exemption fails to be respected or recognized,” Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Satanic Temple, told msnbc. “We are not looking to proactively sue to have informed consent laws repealed.”

Greaves said that the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision bolsters their case. “While we feel we have a strong case for an exemption regardless of the Hobby Lobby ruling,” he said, “the Supreme Court has decided that religious beliefs are so sacrosanct that they can even trump scientific fact. This was made clear when they allowed Hobby Lobby to claim certain contraceptives were abortifacients, which in fact they are not.”

satanicIn a blog written by the follower of Satan, Greaves states, “Conveniently, the Supreme Court’s recent controversial Hobby Lobby ruling contributes to the standing of our argument for a religious exemption from informed consent, providing a solid precedent for which we may disregard any legislated medical information we find biased and objectionable. As I stated for our recent press release announcing the Informed Consent exemption initiative: “While we feel we have a strong case for an exemption regardless of the Hobby Lobby ruling, we were (previous to that ruling) concerned that states might drag us through the courts, forcing us to hire expert witnesses and demonstrate the fact that their mandated materials are indeed scientifically unsound. However, given that the Supreme Court has decided that religious belief can trump scientific fact — in allowing Hobby Lobby to claim certain contraceptives as abortifacients, when in fact they are not — it naturally follows that our belief in the illegitimacy of the so-called informational material is enough to exempt us, and those who hold our beliefs, from having to receive them.”

The “deeply-held belief” exemption shouldn’t be confined strictly to those who self-identify as Satanists. As Satanists for whom access to the best available information, undiluted by biased or false information, is fundamental to our religious beliefs, we are willing to argue on anybody’s behalf that such a position qualifies as a “deeply-held belief”, rather than a whimsical declaration of convenience.“

He continues, “The Satanic Temple does support personal choice in the context of abortion, and as the first initiative in a multi-faceted Women’s Rights campaign, TST is now offering an exemption from State-mandated “informed consent” materials — “informational” materials which are often scientifically unfounded or medically invalid [1] – to those who share our deeply-held beliefs regarding informed choice. We believe that the body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. Further, we strive to make all decisions regarding personal health based on the best scientific understanding of the world, regardless of the religious or political beliefs of others. We have devised a letter for women seeking an abortion to take to their care providers, placing the care provider on-notice that such materials violate the woman’s religious principles and, as such, must be withheld from contributing undue stress and confusion in what surely is already an unpleasant situation.”

The Devil worshiping group posted their letter for women wanting to sacrifice their children through abortion to their website:

The letter reads in part:

As an adherent to the principles of the Satanic Temple, my sincerely held religious beliefs are:

• My body is inviolable and subject to my will alone.

• I make any decision regarding my health based on the best scientific understanding of the world, even if the science does not comport with the religious or political beliefs of others.

• My inviolable body includes any fetal or embryonic tissue I carry so long as that tissue is unable to survive outside my body as an independent human being.

• I, and I alone, decide whether my inviolable body remains pregnant and I may, in good conscience, disregard the current or future condition of any fetal or embryonic tissue I carry in making that decision.

Satanic Abortion Consent 1Satanic Abortion Consent 2

To help raise funds for their pro-abortion cause, the group is selling these Satanic shirts:


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Religion
KEYWORDS: abortion; hobbylobby; prolife; satanists

1 posted on 07/30/2014 7:33:16 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

How long before Planned Parenthood joins this suit?


2 posted on 07/30/2014 7:34:59 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: kjam22

I thought that was implied.


3 posted on 07/30/2014 7:36:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought both groups were one in the same.


4 posted on 07/30/2014 7:38:31 AM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
lol

nice try satanists.

But the church of satan nor any other religion or non religion has any fundamental beliefs against the showing of information.

5 posted on 07/30/2014 7:39:42 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Morgana
“The Satanic Temple does support personal choice in the context of abortion

So, the feminists groups are fellow travelers with the satanic temple with regard to sacrifice of babies.

Just as I suspected all along.

6 posted on 07/30/2014 7:41:04 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Morgana

You know, reading this makes me think that these folks aren’t really Satan worshippers but rather secularist attention whores trying to get themselves into the press.


7 posted on 07/30/2014 7:41:42 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Morgana

Laws that prohibit murder, robbery and rape go against their beliefs too. Should they be overturned?


8 posted on 07/30/2014 7:41:44 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Morgana

Stunning. So now abortion advocates are openly aligned with satanic practices.

Could make for some interesting debates in people states...


9 posted on 07/30/2014 7:41:48 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: Morgana

Give them the exemption. If satanism is recognized as a legitimate religion, then it must be accorded the same rights as any other.

Then go after the legitimization of this ridiculous, childish “religion.”


10 posted on 07/30/2014 7:43:29 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Morgana

Our forefathers, when they wrote the First Amendment - did not envision religious practices without any limitations whatsoever. Nor did they envision the embrace of either Satanism or Islamism to the extent both *encourage* and uphold deceitful practices. For our society to prosper it must be held at least to the Judea-Christian ethic as pertains to murder, lying, theft, etc. If we need a Constitutional amendment to iterate this more clearly, then so be it. If not, then this will indeed be, as we are witnessing, a nation divided against itself.


11 posted on 07/30/2014 7:44:25 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Morgana
That's funny.

Satanist are about death, especially of the innocent. Who would have guessed?

12 posted on 07/30/2014 7:48:09 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Morgana

So, whose “rights” trump whose “rights”? I have never read anything in the Constitution that says that devil worshippers have the “right” to have their rubbers paid for by the U.S. taxpayers.


13 posted on 07/30/2014 7:51:53 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: Morgana

I say again as I said at the beginning ... Hobby Lobby is one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in history and WILL turn against us over the years. Now it won’t be this case because of the abortion component. But it is coming.

There are now going to be LEGIONS of cases based on “religious freedom”. Some will be frivolous but most will not. And if SCOTUS is not consistent in the application of this ridiculous ruling, it will have a destabilizing effect on society especially against Christians.

I don’t say any of this lightly but with 25 years of legal practice with an overwhelming amount of my arguments centering on Constitutional, Bill of Rights issues. I have even had occasion to argue before SCOTUS and other State and Federal Courts. Many thought this was a win for Religion. It was a devastating loss.

Hobby Lobby is the rallying cry and law ... against Christianity. Give it time. It is a time bomb that WILL go off in our faces. And even if you think SCOTUS will rush to our protection, this SCOTUS will not stay intact over the years, but the law will remain. The best we can hope for is that at some point down the road a more reasoned SCOTUS will overturn the decision.


14 posted on 07/30/2014 7:53:03 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Morgana
Greaves said that the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision bolsters their case. “While we feel we have a strong case for an exemption regardless of the Hobby Lobby ruling,” he said, “the Supreme Court has decided that religious beliefs are so sacrosanct that they can even trump scientific fact. This was made clear when they allowed Hobby Lobby to claim certain contraceptives were abortifacients, which in fact they are not.”

What an arrogant fool. He couldn't be more wrong in the cases of contraceptives Hobby Lobby objected to being forced to provide (via insurance).

Despite popular (uninformed) opinion on the matter, Hobby Lobby didn't object to all contraceptives, just those that ARE known, as a matter of scientific fact, to cause abortions, like the "morning after pill". They were NOT opposed to devices that don't cause abortions, like condoms. They know the science, unlike this idiot.

If there's anything I hate more than willful obstinacy it's willful ignorance. Know the facts of the situation before opening your mouth, "Mister" Greaves, or you make yourself an even bigger fool.

15 posted on 07/30/2014 7:56:21 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Well you haven’t read anything in the Constitution that says anything about we Christians or the right to put “In God We Trust” on money or anything of that nature.

Constitutional interpretation is not about something explicitly in the Constitution If it were, we’d have no Nation as pretty much everything would be unconstitutional. Conservative, LibTard or otherwise it is about “constitutional interpretation” and there is no agreement in over 200 years how to do that.

There is no “just read the constitution” approach to Constitutional interpretation.


16 posted on 07/30/2014 8:01:11 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Morgana

Ok, I understand that Satanists kill babies as part of their religion, didn’t really expect them to admit it, but there it is.
But these guys are saying that their religious belief is that their employer should PAY for them to kill babies.
My religious belief is that I should get a decent living wage. My employer is not up for that either.


17 posted on 07/30/2014 8:09:31 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Morgana

How many of their employees are covered by company health insurance policies that they carry?

Having standing is a little trickier than just stomping your feet and declaring some nonsensical claptrap.


18 posted on 07/30/2014 8:26:31 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Morgana

And these guys are different from democrats how???

It’s the same rambling incoherence from idiots like toilet brush head Debbie Wasserman-Shultz


19 posted on 07/30/2014 8:26:52 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Morgana

Nice try, but it won’t work. The RFRA says that the state can infringe on religious liberty, but only when a) it can show a compelling state interest and b) it uses the least infringing method available to it.

All the government has to do is say that informed consent to a “medical procedure” is a compelling interest, and requiring “patients” to read material in order for them to be informed is a minimal infringement. Slam-dunk win, using the left’s own language against them.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 8:29:33 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: RIghtwardHo
I say again as I said at the beginning ... Hobby Lobby is one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in history and WILL turn against us over the years. Now it won’t be this case because of the abortion component. But it is coming.

Nonsense, see my previous. Hobby Lobby isn't even a constitutional case, it's a procedural one that says that the ACA does not override the RFRA.

21 posted on 07/30/2014 8:31:11 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Morgana

Stupidity at its finest. What is wrong with the fact that the pro-abortionists have a right to set up their own business and provide coverage for abortions if they so please? If you have the right, why do you care about anyone else? Sorry but, you don’t have the right to have only people who agree with you as part of society. Deal with it like everyone else.


22 posted on 07/30/2014 9:13:51 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: RIghtwardHo

Well good, now start facing up to the fact that you get a no-win situation. Get use to the fact that winning a fight is not like a cartoon where roadrunner has won against wily coyote in minutes. If something pisses the left off, so be it. The left is a no-win. How do you feel about the fact that the Roman Empire ran a centuries-long persecution campaign against Christianity. You could live your entire life with no end in sight to the Romans wanting you dead. As for Hobby Lobby, they expressed and appealed or what they felt was right. Their case was worth the tyrannical wrath of the left.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 9:19:35 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Morgana
Be PC.
Mustn’t offend the devil worshipers.
24 posted on 07/30/2014 12:08:02 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: IronJack
Give them the exemption. If satanism is recognized as a legitimate religion, then it must be accorded the same rights as any other. Then go after the legitimization of this ridiculous, childish “religion.”

Satanism (as organized by Anton LeVey) is NOT a religion (I am not referring to legal status) because he was an avowed atheist. His was a coven for sex orgies; that was Sammy Davis Junior's stated reason for joining it and he wasn't the only Hollywood celebrity to do so.

Fundamental atheists are not happy enough that they are free to believe in no higher power, they seek to crush those "with weak minds" who still "cling" to old traditions.

25 posted on 08/01/2014 5:34:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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