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Can Colt Firearms Survive?
Colt Defense LLC Q12014 10Q ^ | 5/24/2014 | Self

Posted on 05/24/2014 8:35:48 AM PDT by mac_truck

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To: NVDave
Sadly, everyone appears to be chasing the plastic semi-auto market these days.

Yes, though I personally lean towards blue steel and walnut. 240 gr loads in a small five shot wheel gun would be very comforting. So would healthy loads in a six shot DA .45 Colt with a 5" barrel for a side arm. Lots of punch without all the fire show.

I do love the .44 mag, but it is work to shoot those heavy guns well. Fatigue sets in after while and beyond that you end up just burning (expensive)ammo. On the other hand, a single action .45 is just fun to shoot.

Hope you have a great weekend!

41 posted on 05/24/2014 3:16:03 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: NVDave
Personally, I wish that S&W would put out a product in stainless that holds five rounds of .44 Special, with, oh, a 3” barrel. For me, that would be an ideal CCW revolver.

They did from 1996 to 2002, the Model 696 on the L frame (same as the 686). You can't fire really hot loads in it because the forcing cone in thin, but a 240 grain semi wad cutter at 850 fps will take the starch out of a problem. Best to look for a 696 or 696-1 because they were made before the lock. I've got one and it's a nice piece.

42 posted on 05/24/2014 3:26:13 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: MileHi

See my #42 re Smith 696.


43 posted on 05/24/2014 3:27:46 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: NVDave

I’d buy a couple 10mm to 40 conversion barrels for my S&Ws and Colt. I’ve read reports of some shooting 40s in heir Springfield 10mm Omegas but am not interested in doing so.


44 posted on 05/24/2014 3:30:43 PM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall end.")
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Sort of recall that. Very nice. Would be even nicer if they could squeeze that into a K frame. Still, I would grab one if the chance arose.

Hope yer good Slim!


45 posted on 05/24/2014 3:43:54 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: mac_truck

As long as they still have some US government contracts they are set for a glide path. But if they want to compete the Europeans (ironically) and Israelis are making amazing small arms that militaries are adopting all over the world.


46 posted on 05/24/2014 4:22:37 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Antihero101607
There is a huge market for used pythons and the prices have tripled. Seems to me to be an untapped market.

Personally I don't want a piston driven rifle. It solves one problem and creates worse problems. That being said I wouldn't buy another plastic pistol either but that doesn't mean there isn't a market for them. They could carve out a niche with a piston rifle.

I think if they made a spec rifle (piston or GI) with the quality Colt is known for, at a competitive price, they would have a winner.

47 posted on 05/24/2014 4:54:39 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
"Personally I don't want a piston driven rifle." Oh I know, all those Ak 47s and Ak 74s, they are just so riddled with problems, can't rely on them to run when you need them ... (/sarcasm)

I have no idea what problems you imagine are inherent in piston driven ARs, but I have built several and have found two that run flawlessly, the Osprey Defense and then the Adams Arms. I prefer the Osprey because it is so trouble free. But the dialability for pressure of the Adams Arms version is good, too. I would guess that around 10 to 20 thousand rounds I may need to replace the drive rod ont he Osprey, but running cool in the bolt and such attributes makes it well worth it.

48 posted on 05/24/2014 5:08:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
The oft paised rip off of the Sturmgewehr 44 is reliable and that is about all you can say about it.

The problems with a piston are accuracy, additional reciprocating mass, and at least in the AR, additional wear in the receiver. No piston AR can touch the GI AR in accuracy, and that alone is enough reason to ditch the concept IMO.

49 posted on 05/24/2014 5:16:01 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
I'm not even addressing battlefield necessity for a three hundred yard accuracy, but if you have never tried the Osprey, you really don't realize how refined the piston system has become. My 'keep on my person' tool when shtf will be my 14 inch AR with Osprey system ... I don't have to clean that rifle but about every 2000 rounds, and then it is a barrel clean and chamber brush and good to go. I use red hi temp bearing grease on the carrier and bolt and find no buildup at 2000 rounds. I'm not seeing carrier tilt wear on the recoil tube spring housing, either. You believe what you want to, but I'm just sharing from experience.
50 posted on 05/24/2014 5:27:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: NVDave

“Personally, I wish that S&W would put out a product in stainless that holds five rounds of .44 Special, with, oh, a 3” barrel. For me, that would be an ideal CCW revolver.”

I’d buy one in a heartbeat. I have a Charter Arms 5 round .44 Spl that I consider a fine carry piece.


51 posted on 05/24/2014 5:36:52 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Jack Hammer
Colt was never the same after they bowed the knee to the unions.

Colt just signed at five year deal with the union that represents 72% of its work force.

Hopefully there is a 'breakup clause' in there, should the company decide to move their operation to Florida. :^)

52 posted on 05/24/2014 7:02:32 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: NVDave; All
My post 17 was serious (.17 ammo shelves coincidentally are now bare). I will not buy another gun I cannot readily get ammo for. I'm surprised Ruger can still sell a single 10/22.

Gun manufacturers, start manufacturing ammo now!

53 posted on 05/24/2014 7:29:01 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: MHGinTN
What makes America great is you can own, carry, and shoot a piston rifle and it doesn't matter a lick what I think.

Let me know when a piston AR wins a National match or is competitive in 3-gun. Until then I will stick to my 16" AR with it's NP3 bolt/carrier that I've never had a failure in.

54 posted on 05/24/2014 7:42:02 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

I’m not knockin’ impingement rifles, I just prefer a cool bolt and no sh*t where it eats.


55 posted on 05/24/2014 7:46:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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