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Minnesota Man Accused of Murdering Teens Who Entered His Home
yahoo.com/ ^ | 4/22/14 | By GIO BENITEZ

Posted on 04/22/2014 6:21:59 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda

Minnesota Man Accused of Murdering Teens Who Entered His Home By GIO BENITEZ

The trial against a 65-year-old man accused of murdering two teens who entered his home is underway in Minnesota, stirring debate about how far people can go in defending their homes. Byron Smith, a retired security engineer for the U.S. Department of State, is charged with first-degree premeditated murder in the slayings of cousins Nick Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 16, on Thanksgiving Day 2012. The killings rocked the small city of Little Falls. Prosecutors say Smith was sitting in his basement when he heard a window breaking upstairs. When Brady started walking down the basement stairs, Smith shot him twice. Then, according to court documents, Smith shot Brady a third time in the face, allegedly telling investigators, “I want him dead.”

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KEYWORDS: bang; breakingandentering; defenseofproperty; guns; propertyrights
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To: afraidfortherepublic
It was not self-defense.

When one intruder is on the ground unconscious and bleeding out, and the other is gurgling on her own blood on your floor, you have already successfully defended yourself.

When your next step is to not call 911, but to go to another room, find another weapon, and then finish them off at point blank range, then you have crossed the line into a murdering psycho.

41 posted on 04/22/2014 6:54:57 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The question is whether he crossed the line from self-defense to execution. According to the DA he was waiting, they were unarmed, did not surprise him, made no attempt to harm him, and then he drug the bodies across the floor, putting finishing shots into their heads, I really don’t know if a jury is going to believe self-defense if those are the facts.


42 posted on 04/22/2014 6:55:27 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
So he says. But he never bothered to report any of those other burglaries.

No way he's a liar - he probably just felt bad for his insurance company and didn't want them to be stuck on the hook for replacing his stolen stuff.

43 posted on 04/22/2014 6:56:31 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: yldstrk
As Kifer gasped for air, Smith dragged her body next to Brady's, according to the complaint, and placed a handgun under her chin and fired what he allegedly told police was a "good clean finishing shot" that went "under her chin up into the cranium." Smith kept the bodies in his home overnight, police said, and called neighbors Friday, asking if they knew any lawyers. When the neighbors said they did not, Smith asked them to call authorities, according to the complaint.

he's going away, just not sure for what yet.

44 posted on 04/22/2014 6:59:17 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: xrmusn

In other words
Shoot them
Bury them in the back yard
Shut up about it


45 posted on 04/22/2014 7:00:10 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Doc Savage

I don’t want to do it. And I hope I never have to do it. But if someone breaks a window and enters my house I’m not going to fire one round. I’m going to fire at least 3 or 4 rounds. Or at least till I see him fall and not moving.

Remember the expert testified in the Zimmerman trial that a person can live quite a long time even after the heart is removed from the body. I’m not sure the guy would be capable of firing a weapon, but, like I said, I’m not sure.


46 posted on 04/22/2014 7:03:03 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: cherry

you enter my home uninvited... your life is mine to dispense with as I please

don’t want to be killed... then don’t break into other peoples homes


47 posted on 04/22/2014 7:05:09 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Much better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.


48 posted on 04/22/2014 7:08:24 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Jeez.

He's retired State Department security, but he apparently didn't know self-defense law and hadn't heard the old rule, "Shoot, shovel, and shut up!"

His best option was Home Depot bright and early Black Friday. Saws! Contractor cleanup bags! Detergents. Bleach!! (Just ask Detective Fuhrman.) And, of course, silence! Stone wall silence!

The Mississippi runs right by his house.

49 posted on 04/22/2014 7:11:17 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Sheriff Wetzel said that the law "doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is gone."[11] Hamline University School of Law professor Joseph Olson: "I think the first shot is justified. After the person is no longer a threat because they're seriously wounded, the application of self-defense is over."[3]

Nope. The second shot was for breaking my window!

50 posted on 04/22/2014 7:11:40 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: Vision Thing
Actually, you must question housebreakers, ask for ID, determine what they are up to, whether they meant any harm, and then make a rational decision about whether to shoot them---kind of like the ROE in Iraq and Afghanistan.

vaudine

51 posted on 04/22/2014 7:12:44 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Doc Savage

Yeah, read what he did in real life, don’t create a fake scenario.


52 posted on 04/22/2014 7:13:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: TurboZamboni

Yeah, I’d say he’s in a bit of trouble.


53 posted on 04/22/2014 7:21:11 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Guenevere

read much?


54 posted on 04/22/2014 7:23:04 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ansel12

The guy should spend time in prison for what he did. You cannot execute someone like he did when they are laying on the ground. Cold blooded murder in my opinion.


55 posted on 04/22/2014 7:26:29 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: FrdmLvr

I can’t believe this guy is a Sheriff. They should call him “Sheriff ‘One shot’ Wetzel! Can stop any crook with one shot!


56 posted on 04/22/2014 7:36:14 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Sawdring

He said that he didn’t want the teens to suffer, so he finished them off.


57 posted on 04/22/2014 7:39:08 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Fai Mao

In other words
Shoot them
Bury them in the back yard
Shut up about it
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
He would have been ‘fine’ had he not done the TV ‘Hit Man’ act of the ‘kill shot’.
If he actually said all that to the Cops in the beginning and had been robbed before, I would imagine he had sort of ‘put out the word’ that if ‘they’ came back he would be waiting for them.....that last remark is just speculation on my part but considering all he blabbed after the fact, they could probably find enough people in the neighborhood (bar??) that would testify that he had ‘planned’ a little surprise.
Still probably would have been alright without the ‘dramatics’....2nd one definitely deserved to get shot— UNLESS he somehow lured her downstairs,— as only a complete idiot would hear shots and go down without hearing from the partner....


58 posted on 04/22/2014 7:45:15 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: yldstrk

Good link. Bad shoot.


59 posted on 04/22/2014 7:46:35 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Free Vulcan; MinuteGal

“The question is whether he crossed the line from self-defense to execution. According to the DA he was waiting, they were unarmed, did not surprise him, made no attempt to harm him, and then he drug the bodies across the floor, putting finishing shots into their heads, I really don’t know if a jury is going to believe self-defense if those are the facts.”

Dead men (and/or women) don’t talk. How many times have perps been wounded, recovered and then sued the victim for shooting them? If you are going to end up broke or in jail anyhow, may as well polish them off and have the satisfaction that the perps won’t be up to no good ever again. Glad they’re dead; they were serial burglars.

Also, if this was a couple of older, scuzzy looking perps, there wouldn’t be this outcry. But the perps were young, pretty good looking teens, so now the cries of outrage. Kind of like killing two Bambi’s, or a good looking Bonnie and Clyde. If they were ugly or a minority, or both, no problem. Doesn’t change the fact that they were rotten to the core; good grief, they were cute and rotten to the core. There’s a difference you know. /s


60 posted on 04/22/2014 7:48:01 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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