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The Whistleblower's Last Stand
espn ^ | 3-4-14 | Don Van Natta Jr.

Posted on 03/04/2014 9:36:50 AM PST by FlJoePa

THE STAR WITNESS was anonymous, like each of Jerry Sandusky's victims.

He was described in the grand jury presentment only as "a Penn State graduate assistant." Anyone reading the 23-page presentment released on Nov. 4, 2011, would be horrified by the prosecution's version of what the witness said he saw a decade ago. In the locker room shower inside the Lasch Football Building on Penn State's campus, he stumbled upon "a naked boy, Victim 2 ... with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught."

The following day, he reported the incident to his boss, coach Joe Paterno, though he was short on specifics. And then Paterno relayed the report to athletic director Tim Curley. And then no one at Penn State did anything to stop Sandusky from preying on boys for a decade.

Long before the presentment became public, players, coaches and residents heard rumors -- that McQueary saw Sandusky fondle the boy, or that they were engaged in horseplay. But suddenly the rumors were not only true, they had mushroomed into the biggest college football scandal in history, one that wasn't just about the crimes of one man but about an administration's alleged attempt to cover them up. Most people here were surprised at how the prosecutors quoted McQueary in the presentment. Anal intercourse? This was far more graphic than the rumors had it; more than a few people asked: Why didn't Big Red stop it?

(Excerpt) Read more at espn.go.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Sports
KEYWORDS: factfreeh; ncaa; pedophilestate; pedostate; psu; sandusky; statepenn
MM is not a credible witness and has never been. The OAG under Linda Kelly was a disaster and that presentment is the proof.

I was hoping for more from Don on this piece, but alas.

Still more to come though.

1 posted on 03/04/2014 9:36:50 AM PST by FlJoePa
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To: FlJoePa

As a man it is your duty to beat the queer molesting the boy senseless and with malice.


2 posted on 03/04/2014 9:41:56 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Did you read the article? Victim 2 sat in Amendola’s office and told him nothing ever happened.

How was MM supposed to stop something that never happened?


3 posted on 03/04/2014 9:46:04 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

Honestly, I’ve seen your relentless posts for a couple three years no about Paterno, Sandusky and all your tortured and twisted explanations, exculpatory stories and analysis and just don’t get it.

When you boil it all down to the bare minimum, little boys were buggered right under the noses of Penn State officials. While there may be differing accounts of exact specifics and reports and who said what when and who reported what when and what they did afterwards, but the fact remains. Little boys were sexually assaulted.

Or do you dispute the witnesses’ accounts? I’d like to know that.

Personally, I think there are better things you might occupy your time with, but THIS just isn’t one that is healthy in my opinion.


4 posted on 03/04/2014 9:46:27 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Pedophile State alumni hate real men.
Stop pointing out the obvious.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 9:49:30 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gaffer

Let me know when you have your car keyed for simply having a magnet depicting your Alma Mater on it. Maybe then you’ll understand.

I don’t want the OAG’s crooked, nor the media’s sensational word for it. I want the truth.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 9:50:03 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

He said it didn’t happened after the fact. You walk by and see a queer poking some kid in the rear, they can debate the fact it happened after I beat the hell out of him.


7 posted on 03/04/2014 9:51:50 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Gaffer

I am 100% with you - I don’t even know why I click on these articles posted by FloPa but I do - I think it is because I continue to be amazed at how incredible it is that anyone can defend the actions of molesters and their protectors. It is black and white - there are no shades of gray. Don’t waste your time with FloPa - he will never let this go....


8 posted on 03/04/2014 9:53:31 AM PST by MissH
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To: FlJoePa; Gaffer

Have your car keyed and be spit on for being a soldier.
Then come crying to me.


9 posted on 03/04/2014 9:54:13 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: FlJoePa

Your car magnet has nothing to do with it.

Because you seem to think that the one witness can be discounted, all the others are suspect too. If that’s so, then you think Sandusky was wrongly convicted?

You’ve been doing this for years. Over some scratches on your car?

Frankly, your resistance to openly discuss the actuality of the acts that perpetrated this fiasco without offering up some excuse, or where somebody is caught up in factual recount or whatever, really only serves to perpetuate the reactions. IOW, maybe letting it be and moving on is what’s call for here instead of abject defiance.

Just my two cents after having read your endless posts about it.


10 posted on 03/04/2014 9:54:48 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: FlJoePa

Somehow we doubt you only carry the water for pedophiles here on this forum.

One suspects that if you are not making up the keying incident it has much more to do with the words you say (and the implications of those words for children) than with a sticker on your car.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 9:54:50 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Darksheare

I was spit on for being a solder in 1969. What does that have to do with it? Where were you.


12 posted on 03/04/2014 9:55:34 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer

Exactly.
As you said, his car magnet means nothing.
He’s trying to misdirect.


13 posted on 03/04/2014 9:56:49 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: FlJoePa
I want the truth.

You want the truth? OK, how about telling all of us how you came about generating and using the FReeper user name, FlJoePa? I have asked for an explanation many times in the past, but none has ever been forthcoming.

And please tell all of us why, with your repeated defense of the pedophile-enabling Joe Paterno, you never ever mention the victims?

14 posted on 03/04/2014 10:02:06 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: JohnG45

He thinks he is Joe Paterno reincarnated - carrying the torch after his idol passed.

What I don’t understand is why does he come here and continually post his drivel? Is it for attention? I am confident he had not changed any minds here so why the ongoing obsession with posting his defense of all things Paterno?


15 posted on 03/04/2014 10:06:48 AM PST by MissH
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To: FlJoePa

Find another forum. You earn your ridicule here.


16 posted on 03/04/2014 10:16:15 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: FlJoePa

...and John Wilkes Booth was framed, Shakespeare didn’t write the plays, Mumia is apolitical prisoner; Obama was in charge and did everything humanly possible to save our men in Benghazi.

You need a new hobby.


17 posted on 03/04/2014 11:00:43 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: FlJoePa

This is the most encompassing, convincing trail of tears yet, that seals the deal in favor of Mike McQuery’s real visual experience and his testimony being exactly what and how he said it was.

One minute. He sees the mirror reflection of exactly what is going on, and also sees again by direct gaze as he departs.

How his heart and head must have exploded, given his own experience, and his life work wrapped up in love and loyalty for Coach Paterno and Penn State.

The critics of this guy McQuery, have to be cult material, for Joe Paterno, because most assuredly this story would have been killed and buried, if the cult and the University cover-up crew had their way. McQuery is too convincing for words.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 11:01:11 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: FlJoePa

Do you EVER post about anything else?


19 posted on 03/04/2014 11:05:24 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: FlJoePa

No, stupid question, of course you don’t. Look at your name....a complete one-track mind.


20 posted on 03/04/2014 11:06:21 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: MissH

I click on them for the replies, rather than to read the drivel itself.


21 posted on 03/04/2014 11:07:37 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: RitaOK
Why did he continue to associate himself with js for years after whatever he witnessed?

As a quarterback, Smith remembers having Mike McQueary as his coach at the camp. "He ran the show for the quarterbacks and wide receivers," said Smith. "I watched him throw so hard he broke a kid's nose." (McQueary's presence at the Behrend football camp in 2004 meant that the assistant coach worked with Sandusky two years after the 2002 incident, in which allegedly he witnessed his employer raping a boy.)

link to 2011 story here

22 posted on 03/04/2014 11:07:48 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: wiggen

Here’s an idea . . . perhaps Fljoepa and Jedediah can work together on some “prophetic words”.


23 posted on 03/04/2014 11:10:56 AM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: FlJoePa

FlJoePa - just wanted you to know that you do have some friends here. Some of us still believe that Joe was a great man. It’s so easy for anonymous posters to spew their hate for Joe and PSU, without regard for facts. They are cowards, and Joe was a million times a greater man than them. McQueery is not a legitimate witness - his story changes every time. And everything we know about Paterno’s life is not consistent with what we’re being led to believe by Bob Costas and ESPN. Do they really think that after 60 years of being the most respected coach in football, (success with honor), that all of a sudden he decides to cover-up a for a child-molester? No. That is not Joe Paterno.

So keep on keepin on, my FRiend - even when it seems everyone is against you. And when the truth comes out - that Joe didn’t know - that Joe really was the guy we thought he was for 60 years - don’t expect any apologies from the haters - they will disappear back into anonymity.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 11:18:11 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: privatedrive

Thanks privatedrive. Anyone with any sense would see it the same way, but the media eventually drives all where we want to go. Apparently a lot of people just don’t like PSU and Joe.


25 posted on 03/04/2014 11:39:20 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

Thought I addressed that already. Mike’s “... life work was wrapped up in love and loyalty to Coach Paterno and Penn State”.

That life work included tolerating the proximity of Sandusky and the endless foot dragging Neanderthals around him, covering up for him, at Old Main. Those were the insufferable conditions that everyone at Penn permited to exist.

What was he suppose to do any different from anyone else in the know, including Paterno and the boys? They all carried on with their assignments.


26 posted on 03/04/2014 11:49:01 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Yeah, either that or something that makes some sense.

Like maybe MM didn’t come around to the OAG’s version of events until they put the screws to him on his gambling and whoring around campus.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 11:54:31 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: privatedrive

Hey, it took me days to give up that Paterno should have done more, that rumors had circulated for too long with good reason, that all these guys (including Paterno) were pointing up, down and over to somebody else, away from their own responsibility, anything to keep the responsibility moving. Except McQuery. He had the most to lose and the least of power to prevent losing it.

The rest would have walked away rich, if they had been dismissed.

Paterno will always have his record in tact. His family has security. But the one who stopped a predator and the charade that permitted his run of the showers has guys like you.

What a gift.


28 posted on 03/04/2014 12:04:38 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: FlJoePa

You are curiously detached from reality and the victims and their physical suffering. Predictably that would have to be rule number one for any cult worship. Denial and obsession follow.

Bye.


29 posted on 03/04/2014 12:14:19 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: FlJoePa

The truth is Penn State covered up a scandal during the worst 4 years of JoePa’s career (26-37). If this had come out then he’d gone for sure. Remember the firejoepa.com sites


30 posted on 03/04/2014 12:14:45 PM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: RitaOK

Van Natta has the goods on MM - much more than has been revealed in this article. The story was edited from 9K words to 6K words.

None of this is news - Ziegler uncovered it all months - even years ago.

Ziegler is a funny follow on twitter right now as he has been in conversation w/ Van Natta throughout the writing of this story. Ziegler says what Van Natta told him was going to be in the story was either edited out or JZ was lied to by DVN.


31 posted on 03/04/2014 12:16:59 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa
Let me know when you have your car keyed for simply having a magnet depicting your Alma Mater on it. Maybe then you’ll understand.

Sorry. You misunderstood. I didn't key you car over Sandusky. It was because of Michael Mann.

32 posted on 03/04/2014 12:37:13 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

Hah! That would be more understandable. Remember though that PSU has also produced AccuWeather and Joe Bastardi.

An aside, the keying of my car didn’t even ruin my day. It IS a metaphor of what the media did here though - turning hundreds of thousands of alums/students/fans into a bunch of knuckle dragging pedophile enablers.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 12:40:55 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

Ok for Bastardi, I will send you one of those “As Seen on TV” waxes that take the scratches right out of your car and restore the finish to brand new.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 12:53:23 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: FlJoePa

And you are still obsessed, curiously detached from the victims.


35 posted on 03/04/2014 1:01:35 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Wow - you know absolutely NOTHING about this case. Yet you are eager to chime in.

Do you have any facts to back up your statements?
such as:

“...(including Paterno) were pointing up, down and over to somebody else, away from their own responsibility, anything to keep the responsibility moving....”

Nope, didn’t think so. Just another one spewing opinion because it makes you feel good to bash someone else.

Enjoy yourself....


36 posted on 03/04/2014 1:26:52 PM PST by privatedrive
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To: privatedrive

Dear one note johnny,

I addressed that already. McQuery moved his report and responsibility, UP, to Paterno; Paterno’s “report” simply moved his responsibility, OVER, over to Old Main. Old Main moved it back, DOWN, to Mike M, (but skipped Paterno).

And then they all hired lawyers.

Try hard to follow the bouncing ball.


37 posted on 03/04/2014 1:42:48 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: FlJoePa

Still defending the cult of Paterno. 61 years? Really? If this teaches anyone anything it is that Paterno stayed and was ALLOWED to stay too long. “Yes men”, minions, cult worshippers leading to silence and corruption.

Mind sets that could not/would not understand the gravity of the situation because let’s face it, everyone was worried about Paterno and his legacy. Well guess what, he has a legacy alright. Defend him forever, and some will but it will never be anything other than it is now.


38 posted on 03/05/2014 8:06:22 AM PST by alarm rider (Basically, we are toast.)
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To: alarm rider

I guess you didn’t read the article, and decided to comment on it anyway.

The article calls into serious question the credibility of MM.

With no MM credibility, all your hatred towards Joe Paterno goes for naught.

Of course, Frank Fina (the chief js prosecutor) already TOLD YOU that Joe Paterno was not involved in any coverup, but you chose not to listen to that either.

The ones who have their heads in the sand here aren’t people like me - who see an injustice and want it corrected, but rather people like YOU - who desperately cling to the existing false media narrative that you so want to believe.


39 posted on 03/05/2014 10:56:35 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

Then answer at long last what connection you have with Penn State, Paterno, etc. You have been asked this numerous times and not just by me.

Personally, I have no “hate” for Paterno. I think he was a pathetic old man who stayed too long and let himself be insulated by the cult of personality. Like it or not, he will be remembered for this as will the rest of the sorry bunch that allowed this to continue for some years.


40 posted on 03/05/2014 4:34:48 PM PST by alarm rider (Basically, we are toast.)
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To: FlJoePa

...I wish I’d seen this thread earlier, so I could post when it meant something, but if anybody’s still out there, well...

The article calls into serious question the credibility of MM.

...no it doesn’t; i don’t know what you were reading, but this article simply recapitulates what Jerry’s lawyers tried to slime MM with (BTW, Romminger just relinquished his law license here in Pa...good choice of lawyer, Jerry)and that some people, mostly PSU apologists, bought it hook line and sinker...it is hardly breaking news, you could have posted this two years ago and nothing would have changed...the main point seems to be how MM’s life has been ruined by this, and that it’s still not over for him...but again, good spin job at making it say what you want to say, which seems to be a special skill of yours...

With no MM credibility, all your hatred towards Joe Paterno goes for naught.

...as you well know, MM is not without credibility, or no grand jury indictment would have been returned against Sandusky, now would it...? I mean, seeing that the basis of the indictment was MM credibility, and lack of same for Curley and Schultz, your statement is ultra delusional, IOW, par for the course...and there would have been no grand jury for MM to be found credible at if it were not for Victim #1, a teenager who was twice ground into chutney by the Pa’s compassionate legal system before finally getting his day in court, and guess what? he didn’t even know MM, or really anybody at PSU; his testimony was simply his own personal experience...so to clear this matter up a little, the grand jury would have happened, even if MM had never said word one to anybody, MM just helped the indictment happen...so, you actually do your quixotic little cause a great disservice by pretending that MM is critical in this matter, because he is not...

...oh, and about your identity...are you really Dottie Sandusky...? Your attacks on the victims make me suspect you are...


41 posted on 03/18/2014 7:25:09 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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