Skip to comments.Inside Ukraine: Reader Who Speaks Ukrainian and Russian Challenges Western Media View of Events
Posted on 02/28/2014 8:50:14 AM PST by Rusty0604
I received an interesting email regarding Ukraine from reader Jacob Dreizin, a US citizen who speaks both Russian and Ukrainian.
Jacob comments on media bias and offers the "full scoop" on Ukraine.
The last Ukrainian government was awful, but as someone who speaks the language and has been reading the local news for hours each day, I want you to know there are two sides to this story.
The Western media is not reporting accurately and in a balanced way as to whats going on in Ukraine, both in the run-up to the fall of the regime, and now, in the aftermath.
There is a reign of terror in Kiev and some other areas right now.
Offices and even private homes associated with the former ruling party and its communist allies have been ransacked or burned by militias...
Other pro-Russia citizens have been rounded up and taken away by militias, with no warrant. We have no idea if, how, or where they are being held.
The ultra-nationalist umbrella groups that direct the militias have just announced they will essentially take charge of Central Elections Commission HQ and monitor its work during the upcoming national vote. How fair will the vote be?
Also, one of parliaments very first post-revolution decisions was to revoke the right of local governments to do business in non-Ukrainian languages, such as Russian. Another law has been proposed to effectively ban the broadcast or rebroadcast of television or radio from Russia. There are still other proposed bills aimed at provoking and oppressing the Russian or Russian-speaking population.
Its much easier to pretend this is about democracy, human rights, the peoples choice, etc. while looking the other way now that our guys have won. We have seen this movie before.
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That’s true in some areas, but not everywhere.
For the viewpoint of expats who live throughout Ukraine:
Get and read this book to understand the incredible depths of animosity between the ethnic and national (not always the same) groups in Eastern Europe.
Facist meet Communist. Communist meet Facist. Frying Pan meet Fire. Fire meet Frying Pan.
If true, not good either. Trading “your” despot for “their” despot is not progress.
Five star recommendation from me.
Its all just a distraction from our more important local problems anyway.
In my opinion, we should be a lot more concerned about Venezuela and the rest of central and south America.
You’re right. I don’t hear much about the problems in our own hemisphere, mostly caused by communism.
Thanks for posting; linking. Fascinating history unfolding in real-time.
When Honduras legally threw out their wannabe dictator our media and government were calling it a coup and trying to force them to put him back in power.
In Honduras, congress, the supreme court, and military all conspired to conduct a “Coup” against a president who was trying to do away with term limits for himself among other things.
Like in former Yugoslavia, there are raging hatreds between the ethnic and national groups in E. Europe. The borders were rejiggered after WW2, and populations were evicted, oppressed, etc. The USSR kept the lid on the way that Tito did in Yugoslavia. Now the pressure cooker is rattling and steaming and hopping around on the stove. “It’s gonna blw!” (Mabye.)
But NOBODY should believe the simplistic explanation about Ukrainian freedom-lovers vs. Evil Russia. It’s 100X more complex and convoluted than that. Read “Savage Continent’ linked above.
Typing too fast. “It’s gonna blow!” (Maybe.)
The despot who destabized things here is Soros.
I don’t suppose there will be any real winners but I hope he loses everything.
They is a backlash against the oppressors, who knew?
Looks like a split is the logical way to handle the situation.
Not that logic ever plays much of a role in these cases.
Just watched a movie recently about the liberation of Holland. Those who had “collaborated” with the Nazis were pretty egregiously mistreated.
This is very common, indeed almost universal in civil conflicts. Our own civil war is very nearly unique in the low level of revenge taken by the winners.
After the next civil war it will take months to hang all the bureaucrats, journalists and “educators”/professors
I’ve thought a split between liberal and conservative here in U.S. may be our only peaceful answer.
The problem is that no part of the country has anything close to the dominance of Russian vs. Ukrainian in the liberal/conservative split. Even in the most conservative areas there are probably 1/3 liberals, and the reverse in liberal areas.
IOW, our split is not really regional in nature, so how the heck do you split by region?
First off I’d want to learn of Jacob’s basic political persuasion.We mustn’t forget Walter Duranty of the Slimes...he had nasty things to say about Uncle Joe’s foes...and he got a Pulitzer for it.
Do they ever?
Well gee, that's totally unexpected.
It's amazing how many people were eliminated from the face of the earth, many from the Ukraine. They were peasant farm workers who never fought back. One of my old girlfriends was Ukrainian and I learned alot about that country from her.
Her current take is that Crimea will try and stay with Russia and the rest will stay with the Ukraine but that corruption is rampant everywhere, by all sides.
I know that is a problem. If the Federal gov’t hadn’t taken over State’s rights like they have, people would just naturally move to a State that suits them. But the Federal gov’t forces citizens of all States to participate in wealth distribution and comply with all the regulations from the different agencies and are not allowed to decide their own economic and moral principles.
I don’t disagree with your complaints. I’m simply trying to point out that no simple regional split is even possible.
Even if it were, the regions wouldn’t be contiguous, getting us into a Pakistan-type situation. That could never work.
It can't be, we all know better, they wouldn't lie about something so serious, ever.
“Looks like a split is the logical way to handle the situation.
Not that logic ever plays much of a role in these cases.”
Cui Bono is the driving forces in this issue. Who benefits, and that varies with who wins this war of words and showing of power.
Will George $oreA$$ and his Euro Union thugs benefit with cheaper natural gas and more cheap wheat, than they can use in bread and pasta in a million years?
Or will Putin continue to expand the Russian empire without firing a shot and continue winning the economic battle down the road of time?
I know you are right. One can dream though.
i agree the problems in the western hemisphere are more important to us than eastern europe but those problems are not insignificant either. looks like a green yellow split would leave ukraine with just 1 major port, odessa, and loss of over half their land. wow looking at a map and reading citiy names takes me back to my wargaming days doing eastern front battles. this is not going to end well for anyone except NWO fascists.
this is not going to end well for anyone except NWO fascists.
Which may be the answer to “Cui bono?”.
“this is not going to end well for anyone except NWO fascists.
Which may be the answer to Cui bono?.
The problem is, we really don’t understand all of the current events, and who is pushing them or pulling the strings.
Forget history going back a hundred years. It is today’s events and the button pushers behind the curtains stirring the Ukraine pot.
Good point. When you get emails from somebody about politics it's a safe bet that they're working some kind of ideological or political angle. Also, their information is only as good as their own sources which may be as biased or ill-informed as anybody else's.
If this is the Jacob Dreizin who's a Congressional staffer, it looks like he's a Democrat, also an Army veteran, and somebody who talks to bloggers more than a government employee probably should.
I guess there's even odds that civil strife anywhere in the world will have a bad outcome somehow, but I don't see that Dreizin's picture is better than anybody else's and wonder what angle he or his sources are promoting.
Historically, parts of Ukraine have been parts of other countries just over the last few hundreds years. So any current borders don’t have any solid historical past anyway.
And the US has no freaking business to mess with it imho; especially with the commie/moslem freaks in DC.
Yep, unfortunately they’ll be no “Velvet Divorce” like the Czechs and Slovaks did.
From cursory reading, I would start looking at the higher councils of the EU and the UN. These are the planners. Then, I would trace those individuals and committee and agency heads to related NGO and quangos. These are the button pushers, puppets of those above them. The funders of same are the multi-billionaires and they are likely the policy setters. I doubt it is even hidden.
For decades, they have told us what they are doing and where they are going. They know the masses don’t hear, don’t care and are powerless, anyway.
But, in the words of our next POTUS:”What difference does it make?”
It is a hydra. Chop off one head, another grows back, maybe two. Today Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand. Tomorrow, another group of nations ripe for the plucking. Eventually, us.
Look at how the wealthiest, younger tech entrepreneurs are now going after whatever riches and power may lie in space. There will always be new players and new frontiers. Perhaps “Elysium” is where it is going.
True...Much of Western Ukraine was Polish before the war, the Soviets kicked the Poles out. Lwów jest Polski!
Interesting self bio.
Out of curiosity, how old are you.
I’m in my mid 70’s and started really looking at what was supposedly happening in our world after I turned 70. Not what we were being told by the elites on both sides.
A really peculiar argument for an American to make, given our own history. Kind of takes away any American right to complain about "Hispanics" wanting to reunify "Aztlan."
The Crimea, notably, was part of Russia till the 50s, when Kruschev handed it off to Ukraine as a nationalist sop. Since both Russia and Ukraine were under the thumb of the Soviet Communist Party, it was difficult at the time to see how it might make any difference.
It should be noted that in Eastern Europe (Poland, Baltics, Ukraine, Russia, eastern Germany, etc.), which is a giant plain, there are NO "natural boundaries," and none of the present boundaries have any "solid historical past." Using "historical boundaries" as definitive necessarily involves never-ending conflict, since they all overlap. For instance, Poland (or Poland-Lithuania) used to include much of the Ukraine and western Russia, all of the Baltics, etc.
It should also be noted that this was exactly the reasoning Hitler used (quite accurately) as justification for his invasion of Poland, a country only 20 years old at the time, a little newer than Ukraine is now. It incorporated land that had previously been part of Germany for many centuries and the inhabitants of which wanted to return to the Fatherland.
And the US has no freaking business to mess with it imho
I quite agree. I don't believe I've ever said otherwise.
Of course most of those "German" cities were founded during the Piast era and originally had Polish names, before the Germans moved in. So as usual, these things cut both ways.
Of course, just 30 years before that this area was entirely Russian, as was most of what is now Poland.
"Historical boundaries" is a game fraught with contradictions.
The EU and the UN as the entities secretly potting behind the scenes to control the world.
That's very funny. Almost as funny as the conspiracy theory with the British Royal Family filling the same role.
The first requirement of any such conspiracy would be extraordinary competence, a quality for which neither the EU, UN nor Royal Family is well known.
I have no doubt there are groups out there, notably the EU and UN, that would love to fill this role. I just doubt their ability to implement their plans.
IOW, I agree with you as to their intentions, disagree with regard to their capabilities.
Poland reassembled itself after WWII from the partitions imposed on it by Austria, Prussia and Russia 150 or so years earlier. This was in very late 1918. Then it fought a number of wars, notably with USSR, that determined its boundaries.
So the Poland invaded by Germany in 1939 was less than 21 years old, and some of its boundaries were some years younger than that.
Ukraine declared its independence from USSR in June of 1990. So it is at present coming up on being 24 years old.
Germany only became a country in 1871, so I guess they were “new” too.
That’s right, but to say blankly that a country with a 1,000 year old history of nationhood is only 20 years old is misleading to say the least. So the comparison to Ukraine, which as a state is twenty some years old is not quite valid. And oh, the word ‘ukraine’ meant in both Polish and Russian ‘borderlands’ until the Ukrainian province was first created by Russia and Poland in the 17th century.