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On the meaning of Ah-nald the Governator's surname (Schwarzenegger) - VANITY!

Posted on 11/03/2013 1:06:33 PM PST by elengr

Schwarzenegger == "black Amish person"

This misinterpretation of the meaning of Governator Ah-nald’s name is commonly made by English speakers with a just enough knowledge of German to get into linguistic deep do-do, PC-wise. :)

Several theories exist about the etymology of Arnold’s surname, but before I go there, first note that in German, his surname linguistically breaks down to Schwarzen-Egger. The position of the glottal stop makes it completely impossible for the “n” to belong to the back half of the compound word.

Apparently, several decades ago, Arnold once told David Letterman that his name meant "black farmer" (I don't think his English was very refined back then - and how many people really know where their names come from?).

If his ancestors had hailed from northern Germany, “Egger” could possibly be a dialectal version of Acker, which loosely means field or acre(s) in a farming sense. Thus a similar English name might have started as “John of Blackacres” (referring to fertile land or just black soil). However, this usage apparently was unique to Prussia and the German north lands (and, of course, Arnold is Austrian).

“Egge,” meaning “harrow” (a plow-like farm tool used to break up the soil), also could be the name root, so Arnold’s ancestors might have been “black harrowers” (either referring to the type or color of the tool or the dirty appearance of the people - sort of like black coalminers). But, unlike Baker, Smith or Farmer (Bauer in German), harrowing was not a profession, being commonly done by all farmers, but only briefly on a seasonal basis. So this occupational name origin also is not very likely.

I lived for a time in Switzerland. “Egg” is common to place names there (I vaguely recall that there even is a Swiss village of Schwarzenegg). The farm dialects in Bavaria and Austria, though not as extreme, are similar to Swiss. I was told that Egg means Eck[e] - corner (or edge in a geographical sense), so Schwarzenegger could be one who comes from “black corner” as in coming from a village on the edge of a “black forest” or nestled up against a black soil ridge or dark cliffs on the edge of the Alps.

Anyway, this geographical name origin seems the most likely to me, that is, Schwarzenegger is just a serf or inhabitant who hails from the town or dominion of Schwarzenegg (a geographical description of place).


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: etymology; genealogy; schwarzenegger
Please forgive me if I have inadvertently bent the posting rules here - this is my very first new thread. :) Since the Governator is an occasional topic of interest on Free Republic, I am guessing many Freepers have often wondered where Ah-nald's surname came from.
1 posted on 11/03/2013 1:06:33 PM PST by elengr
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To: elengr
i thought it was kinda like black farmer
2 posted on 11/03/2013 1:12:19 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: elengr

Finally, an explanation of the highly implausible TV show, “Vanilla Ice Goes Amish.”


3 posted on 11/03/2013 1:12:56 PM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: elengr
Swartz n Egger

It's like a hyphenated surname.

4 posted on 11/03/2013 1:13:18 PM PST by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: elengr
I am guessing many Freepers have often wondered where Ah-nald's surname came from.

Are you really?

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5 posted on 11/03/2013 1:14:31 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: elengr

Dark-haired ploughman.


6 posted on 11/03/2013 1:18:41 PM PST by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: elengr

Finally, I will be able to sleep the sweet dreamless sleep of the enlightened! Bless you!


7 posted on 11/03/2013 1:21:25 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: OldNewYork
"Dark-haired ploughman."
I like it. -- I'll be bahhck.
8 posted on 11/03/2013 1:26:37 PM PST by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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http://www.maplandia.com/switzerland/espace-mittelland/bern/schwarzenegg/


9 posted on 11/03/2013 1:33:51 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Chode

i thought it was kinda like black farmer

I always thought it meant prevaricating RINO, Kennedy wanna be, at least that is the definition his actions wrote.


10 posted on 11/03/2013 1:34:48 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: humblegunner

The schwartz is strong with this one.


11 posted on 11/03/2013 1:35:28 PM PST by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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12 posted on 11/03/2013 1:41:39 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Mastador1
that too...
13 posted on 11/03/2013 1:43:57 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: elengr

Interesting article in a way but in another sense, who cares? I guess that some leftist think that the sins of past generations are passed to the children and grandchildren or that appears to be what the term “White Privilege means but I don’t.

My last name technically means “Son of a Friar” which is odd in that friars are supposed to be celibate. Maybe that is an unconscious psychological reason that I’m not a Catholic but somehow I don’t think so.

Family names are oddly done in the West in that very few Smith’s. Baker’s, Wheelwright’s, or Patterson’s, Johnson’s and and Miller’s actually are those things or members of that occupation though I guess most Walker’s do walk. I think this comes from the late Roman Empire which had instituted sort of a cast system or perhaps the Doomsday Book in England though that is speculation.

In China the Family names delineate a clan or family rather than an occupation. There were fewer clans than occupations so there are very family names, especially when you realize that Chan, Chen, Chin, Ching and Chang can all be the same word in Chinese just pronounced differently as are Wong, Wang, Won and Pan, Ping, Poon.

Anyway, it was an interesting read.


14 posted on 11/03/2013 1:50:41 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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15 posted on 11/03/2013 1:55:20 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: elengr
I heard it was from field mucker, the guy who spreads composted (black) manure arround.

An appropriate moniker for a politician, eh?

16 posted on 11/03/2013 2:01:39 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: elengr

the Egg is the plow; the Egger the plowman.

Schwartz not to the person, but to the plow.

SchwartzenEgg er
a plowman who uses a black plow
a forged plow

IMHO


17 posted on 11/03/2013 2:06:10 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: elengr

It means ‘black plowman.’


18 posted on 11/03/2013 2:12:55 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: elengr

Arnold “From the Black forest” seems to make sense as far as a european surname goes.


19 posted on 11/03/2013 2:13:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: null and void

>> An appropriate moniker for a politician, eh?

“You FIELDMUCKER!” Yeah, kinda rolls off the tongue.

But field mucking, unlike politics, is honest necessary work. I don’t think I’ll disparage field muckers by associating their name with politicians.

That’s a nice field mucking rig, by the way; probably cost as much as my house. :-)


20 posted on 11/03/2013 2:13:08 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: elengr

I remember that particular interview and Arnold told Dave it meant “black plowman” except it sounded something like “b’lock p’lau-mahn.” To which Dave said, “Does Maria’s family know this?”


21 posted on 11/03/2013 2:17:33 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Delta 21

Schwartzkopf-———Blackhead


22 posted on 11/03/2013 2:28:18 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: humblegunner; Delta 21
Schwartzes...

They's darker than us! Wooph!

23 posted on 11/03/2013 2:53:27 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: elengr

My ancestral name is Honegger. We’ve always believed it means high place or high peak. The name traces back to the Zurich region in the early 1500s.


24 posted on 11/03/2013 4:15:55 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: elengr

Are his people from Schwarzenegg? That would make him a Schwarzenegger.


25 posted on 11/03/2013 4:19:13 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: elengr

I like my variant. See tag line:


26 posted on 11/03/2013 6:06:14 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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