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A Review of The Southern Cross - The Story of the Confederacy's First Battle Flag
The Washington Times ^ | 22 October 2013 | Richard G. Williams, Jr.

Posted on 10/26/2013 7:01:38 AM PDT by Davy Buck

Born as a symbol of rebellion, the Confederate battle flag retains much of that symbolism to this very day. What is even more intriguing is the fact that the very commissioning of the original Confederate battle flag was itself, an act of rebellion. This little-known part of the flag’s story is told in a fascinating new documentary written and produced by historian Kent Masterson Brown.

(Excerpt) Read more at communities.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: battleflag; confederacy; democratsecession; dixie; saintandrewscross; southern; whitesupremacists
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1 posted on 10/26/2013 7:01:38 AM PDT by Davy Buck
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To: Davy Buck

Too bad that flag doesn’t fly over the White Hut.


2 posted on 10/26/2013 7:09:51 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
I'm sad that so many are misinformed, seeing the Battle Flag as a symbol of racism. I was never intended that way.

In honor of my kin, and all who honorably fought under it:


3 posted on 10/26/2013 7:23:18 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!)
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To: AnalogReigns

That goes for me too!!!!


4 posted on 10/26/2013 7:32:27 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: AnalogReigns

As a decedent of Jefferson Davis and a man that loves this Republic, thank you.


5 posted on 10/26/2013 7:54:56 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: AnalogReigns

I understand your view and I know there were many who fought for the CSA who never owned slaves or even felt it was right to own them.
But you can’t escape that having the right to own slaves was one of the central issues. if the sountern states had not owned slaves do you think the war of Northern Agreesion would have been fought?

I think the right attitude might be that one should look at the times then and what was going on in the rest of the world. WE can admit that in today’s world We would not let slavery happen but we can’t change what was then.
Nothing should be taken away from our people who fought, in the largest majority of cases to defend OUR homeland.

I tell people who try to criticize me and tell me I must be a racist because I honor those who fought for us they are ignorant of the people who actually did fight for the South. I am proud to honor them
screw the haters


6 posted on 10/26/2013 7:57:31 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Davy Buck

I’m originally from Virginia and we grew up learning this. Probably don’t teach this anymore.


7 posted on 10/26/2013 7:57:34 AM PDT by gattaca ("Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RWGinger

Now we all be slaves.


8 posted on 10/26/2013 8:14:24 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Davy Buck
As the Great-Grandson of Fourth Corporal A. P. Bradley of the 12th Mississippi Cavalry. I find it both amusing and irritating when people confuse the ‘Stars and Bars’ and the ‘Southern Cross’ or the ‘Starry Cross’ as some called it. I find it particularly irritating when it happens in places where folks should know better.
9 posted on 10/26/2013 8:23:56 AM PDT by Tupelo ( Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. An old Republican Tradition.)
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To: Davy Buck

I love flying that flag because it just twists the progressive twits who have invaded our state into knots like no other act or spoken word can do. The blacks who are the perpetuually outraged anyway just froth at the mouth. :-)


10 posted on 10/26/2013 8:24:14 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: onedoug
Now we all be slaves.

The 16th amendment repealed the 13th.

11 posted on 10/26/2013 8:24:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: RWGinger
You offered: “But you can’t escape that having the right to own slaves was one of the central issues. if the sountern (sic) states had not owned slaves do you think the war of Northern Agreesion (sic) would have been fought?”

You must not be aware of the fact that on the way to fight the first battle of the war, Bull Run (Manassas), that invading Union Brig. Gen. Irwin McDowell and his troops passed the slave pens in Washington, D. C., which held thousands of slaves.

Why did the Union Command not start there?

There are many records of this. Here is one.

http://books.google.com/books?id=VQBVqYGnyfIC&pg=PT21&lpg=PT21&dq=slave+pens+washington+dc&source=bl&ots=ICMHTGks2n&sig=sdjc4pWzH4DnlkF9KU2qyhB_j3k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-t1rUsySFcjKkAfTtYCwAg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=slave%20pens%20washington%20dc&f=false

The issue of slavery did not cause the war to begin. So, one must wonder what was the real cause.

12 posted on 10/26/2013 8:29:29 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Davy Buck

Actually I never thought of the South as being in rebellion, that being Northern propaganda to make them look childish and morally inferior. Update to the Old Miss PC debates about banishing the Colonel and changing the name, I would think a good Mississippian would be all for dropping the Rebels for the Bears. The only rebellion I can think of that the South conducted was the dethroning of the Reconstruction era governments of shame. FTR I am Copperhead from the People’s Republic of Illinois, home of the busy body Transcendentalists that have basically laid the groundwork for America’s destruction.


13 posted on 10/26/2013 8:31:52 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: RWGinger

When you remember the Slaves you have to remember the Northern Ship owners who profited by their shipment, and the ways and means they used for the shipping.
You also have to remember who gathered them from Africa and then sold them.


14 posted on 10/26/2013 8:48:53 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Davy Buck

As always in these discussions, the Confederate oppression of loyal Unionist Southern whites is forgotten. The Yankee chauvinists don’t like to hear of these people because Southern contributions against the Confederacy shatters the myth of exclusive Northern regional moral superiority and Confederate partisans do not like to dwell on them because their presence shatters the Lost Cause myth of a united South led by enlightened selfless statesmen.


15 posted on 10/26/2013 9:17:26 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Venturer

yes exactly you do
and WE do
but for most people and now it has become Dems and media anyone who wants to honor their own people who fought, not to own slaves but for their own homeland is a racists

and I doubt anything can change that
Plus sadly there are still many here who hate black and these people give us all a bad name


16 posted on 10/26/2013 9:48:57 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: PeaRidge

actually yes the issue of owning slaves was one of the causes
and such an emotional cause it fanned many flames

You do point out the hypocrisy of many in the North. it does and still does exist
That doesn’t change that many more in the North and in the South knew owning slaves was wrong in every way possible.
If there hadn’t been nearly 4 million slaves primarily in the south there would not have been a Civil War


17 posted on 10/26/2013 9:53:39 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: AnalogReigns

Couldn't let Honor pass by.
18 posted on 10/26/2013 10:00:06 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: AnalogReigns
I'm sad that so many are misinformed, seeing the Battle Flag as a symbol of racism. I was never intended that way.

Unfortunately, a lot of white counter-protesters during the Civil Rights Era chose to display that flag, giving it it's current ill-repute in some circles.


19 posted on 10/26/2013 10:04:39 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Guess we need to ban the US Flag as well.


20 posted on 10/26/2013 10:06:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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