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Consider the Probabilities (Creation vs Evolution)
Websites ^ | 9/6/2013 | Dennis Richter

Posted on 09/06/2013 9:50:05 PM PDT by DennisR

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To: Auntie Dem

Humans evolved from a common ancestor of today’s apes because a niche opened for humans to fill. Niches for apes still exist so they do too.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 4:19:10 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Elsiejay
TThe probability that even one amino acid molecule came into existence absent an external, initiating, guiding, creating intelligence is quite enough for me.

That's not evolution, it's abiogenesis. Conflating the two is a common ploy in the debate, effectively making biblical literalism and philosophical naturalism the only arguments allowed. They call that a fallacy of false dichotomy.

22 posted on 09/07/2013 4:26:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DennisR

HETEROsexuality is only way mammalian evolution is possible...


23 posted on 09/07/2013 4:29:01 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: muir_redwoods
But not a single species between ape and man could continue to fill a single niche? Millions of years and billions (at least) of genetic mutations and we have the gigantic gap between apes and humans, nothing in-between?

No fair bringing up Moochelle.
24 posted on 09/07/2013 4:55:14 AM PDT by 867V309 (Stupidity is ordained; Ignorance is a choice.)
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To: 867V309

Despite appearances, genetically there isn’t much difference between humans and great apes. Adding to the mix is the incredible adaptability of humans. We fill niches from the amazon rain forest to the desert to the arctic. So long as adaptable humans fill such a wide range of environments, there isn’t a lot of room for another species to evolve.


25 posted on 09/07/2013 5:45:45 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: eclecticEel

If America broke away from England, why does England still exist? You need to learn better arguments.


Anyone with a high school education can answer that question. The other, not so much.


26 posted on 09/07/2013 7:08:00 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Busko

Really? There are no transitional fossils, they have created ape men from pigs teeth, fake skulls (piltdown man, nebraska man, peiking man. All fake and that is the whole reason why there is no grounds for those who think that evolution is real. Just a junk science created by the atheist. Pumped into the skulls of the kids and college crowd for the last hundred years. No evolving apes, no crap that we evolved from fish. The quote about why there is still Europeans because they are human beings. Darwinism was junk science and those that followed it were idiots.


So true. These folks can take a pig tooth and draw a sketch to look like the unibomber.


27 posted on 09/07/2013 7:12:06 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

The questions are not dumb...you just cannot answer them. And there is a big difference between a computer (which was designed) and life. You cannot even compare the two.


28 posted on 09/07/2013 8:12:10 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not sure - please elaborate.


29 posted on 09/07/2013 8:14:28 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Where is the physical data / proof for your hypothesis?


30 posted on 09/07/2013 8:15:37 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: muir_redwoods

“...genetically there isn’t much difference between humans and great apes...”

But there is a difference, right? Your statement is like saying there is not much difference between a Yugo and a Ferrari. There are some similarities, of course, but that means absolutely nothing, especially when it compares a man to an ape. The argument is specious.


31 posted on 09/07/2013 8:18:43 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: DennisR

The genomes are almost identical. It’s more like comparing a Buick and an Oldsmobile. Nothing specious about unassailable facts.


32 posted on 09/07/2013 10:22:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods

Is a Buick an Oldsmobile?


33 posted on 09/07/2013 10:46:19 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: John Valentine

Which of the questions were you able to answer clearly, logically, and reasonably?


34 posted on 09/07/2013 10:47:08 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: muir_redwoods

——Despite appearances, genetically there isn’t much difference between humans and great apes. -——

From a chromosome standpoint that is true...but the sequences within the chromosome is the key to why that argument is now a strawman....

There are vast differences...in the code...

You have two similar looking cables but have only 40 % of the fiber optics in them set up the same way...


35 posted on 09/07/2013 11:00:21 AM PDT by Popman (Liberal wars are about killing people for humanitarian reasons...)
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To: DennisR
They're stupid questions because they're based on a false premise: that all our systems were developed in humans, so there's some kind of "us" that didn't have a fully functional heart, etc. The heart existed long before its human variant. If he (or you) are really interested in how the heart evolved, this looks like it might be a good place to start:
This review provides an overview of the evolutionary path to the mammalian heart from the beginnings of life (about four billion years ago ) to the present. Essential tools for cellular homeostasis and for extracting and burning energy are still in use and essentially unchanged since the appearance of the eukaryotes. The primitive coelom, characteristic of early multicellular organisms ( approximately 800 million years ago), is lined by endoderm and is a passive receptacle for gas exchange, feeding, and sexual reproduction. The cells around this structure express genes homologous to NKX2.5/tinman, and gradual specialization of this "gastroderm" results in the appearance of mesoderm in the phylum Bilateria, which will produce the first primitive cardiac myocytes. Investment of the coelom by these mesodermal cells forms a "gastrovascular" structure. Further evolution of this structure in the bilaterian branches Ecdysoa (Drosophila) and Deuterostoma (amphioxus) culminate in a peristaltic tubular heart, without valves, without blood vessels or blood, but featuring a single layer of contracting mesoderm. The appearance of Chordata and subsequently the vertebrates is accompanied by a rapid structural diversification of this primitive linear heart: looping, unidirectional circulation, an enclosed vasculature, and the conduction system. A later innovation is the parallel circulation to the lungs, followed by the appearance of septa and the four-chambered heart in reptiles, birds, and mammals. With differentiation of the cardiac chambers, regional specialization of the proteins in the cardiac myocyte can be detected in the teleost fish and amphibians. In mammals, growth constraints are placed on the heart, presumably to accommodate the constraints of the body plan and the thoracic cavity, and adult cardiac myocytes lose the ability to re-enter the cell cycle on demand. Mammalian cardiac myocyte innervation betrays the ancient link between the heart, the gut, and reproduction: the vagus nerve controlling heart rate emanates from centers in the central nervous system regulating feeding and affective behavior.
I'm sure similar material is available for the development of the citculatory system, sexual reproduction, and everything else he asks about. But I suspect he's not really interested in the answers to his questions.
36 posted on 09/07/2013 11:31:21 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: DennisR

No but almost and very clearly related which is the point I’ve been making. Certainly much more closely related than a Yugo and a Ferrari.


37 posted on 09/07/2013 1:00:30 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Popman

Nice try. The point isn’t that the codes are interchangeable but that they are clearly derived from a common source . Humans and other apes are obviously related. If you want to argue the contrary, with all resoect, I think you need to waste someone else’s time.


38 posted on 09/07/2013 1:03:55 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: DennisR

There were no genuine questions, only rhetorical ones, framed dishonestly.

An honest discussion would not be framed exclusively by one side or the other.

Why would anyone of good faith want to to engage in such a distorted farce?


39 posted on 09/07/2013 2:34:04 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: DennisR

Some evidence points to the fact that we were bred by something or someone for some reason. I know how “far out” that sounds, but think about it. Usually, when a species of animals have distinct variations, they are unable to produce offspring or the offspring are sterile (mules) but all humans, no matter how different seeming, are able to breed.


40 posted on 09/07/2013 2:48:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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