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War Crimes Against Southern Civilians
http://www.amazon.com ^ | April 30, 2007 | Walter Cisco

Posted on 08/28/2013 8:03:18 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

This is the untold story of the Union's "hard war" against the people of the Confederacy. Styled the "Black Flag" campaign, it was agreed to by Lincoln in a council with his generals in 1864. Cisco reveals the shelling and burning of cities, systematic destruction of entire districts, mass arrests, forced expulsions, wholesale plundering of personal property, and even murder of civilians. Carefully researched largely from primary sources, this examination also gives full attention to the suffering of Black victims of Federal brutality.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; dixie; fortpillowmassacre; kkk; klan; ntsa; quantrillsraiders; sourcetitlenoturl; whitesupremacists
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To: NKP_Vet

“Women and children, no-combatants, are not the enemy.”

Yes, they are. If you don’t want your women and children killed then don’t wage war. This isn’t a civil court action, this is war.


101 posted on 08/29/2013 7:11:59 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Patriot365

http://www.amazon.com/South-Right-James-Ronald-Kennedy/dp/1565540247

Much of Civil War history is untrue because like most history, it is written by the victor. The story we hear is that hundreds of thousands of Southern men went to war over an issue that only affected six percent of the population. Read this book and learn the truth: there was no shining Northern force fighting a moral battle for the sake of ending slavery; there was no oppressive Southern force fighting to preserve it; and after the South declared its independence, the Union ruthlessly invaded, leaving Southerners no choice but to defend themselves.


102 posted on 08/29/2013 7:32:03 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: yarddog

The rebels seemed to have trouble with their accounting.

When people died, if they were too busy, they didn’t report it. Lee in particular didn’t keep track of his losses very well. Still his army was very small indeed when he surrendered it.

Add to that the problem of southern deserters looting southern homes, raping and stealing and such, because such people didn’t have reliable officers guiding them and restricting their activity. Sherman’s orders forbade entering private houses.

When a small homesteader came home and saw his house burned and his family killed, he may have reported that it was done by the Yankees, and such primary documentation would indeed be available. The facts of the matter may indeed be different: Sherman’s men focused their depredations on large plantations. Southern deserters also needed food, but moved in smaller groups, and so applied their attention to smaller farms.


103 posted on 08/29/2013 9:09:32 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Pelham

Paul wrote of the slavery of his time.

Slavery in the time of the insurrection was legally different, in some ways harsher, in some ways less so. No Jubilee for the southern racial slaves.

Legal differences would make blanket application of Paul’s advice on one insititution to another at least questionable, and at worse unfair.


104 posted on 08/29/2013 9:13:32 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: NKP_Vet

They lost the war, in part because of 40 regiments of southern men who fought for the US government against the insurrection.


105 posted on 08/29/2013 9:14:31 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Pelham

The south began the war to further, extend and protect slavery.

The US government with many southern men as well as northern men, fought to end the insurrection.

Ending slavery was one way to weaken the insurrection, and crucially, the insurrectionists.


106 posted on 08/29/2013 9:17:08 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: NKP_Vet

The history of the war of the rebellion is documented by the histories of surviving parties of both sides.

Southern partisans are embarassed by the cause for which they fought, and so seek to divert attention away from slavery, with falsehood. Jeff Davis wrote two volumes of fiction on the subject of the war.

Facts are, the south began their insurrection to further, extend, and protect the institution of human slavery. The US government suppressed the insurrection, at great cost.

As Lincoln said:
“ Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. ‘Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.’

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said ‘the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.’

With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”


107 posted on 08/29/2013 9:25:40 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Movies potray a saintly north:

Like “The Outlaw Josie Wales” which potrayed US Army shooting down unarmed surrendering confederate solders with Gatling guns. May I point out that no such event ever happened.

Actually the movie business has been overly kind to the slave power.


108 posted on 08/29/2013 9:31:14 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: DManA

Lincoln said it very well during his second inaugural.


109 posted on 08/29/2013 9:33:18 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: DManA

They could have said whatever they wanted. He was not going to allow them to leave the union.


110 posted on 08/29/2013 11:53:57 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Pelham
Were the founding fathers all evil?

You keep trotting out that tired old line like as if it had some sort of relevance or cleverness to it. It doesn't. That's known as a non sequitur.

No, the founders weren't evil - but the slavers who attempted to rend our nation and went to war against their neighbors in shameless pursuit of their Peculiar Institution - they were certainly evil. And those who defend them have some evil in them as well.

111 posted on 08/29/2013 12:16:29 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Sherman Logan
Inaccurate. The Corwin Amendment merely made explicit the belief of almost everybody, including Lincoln, that Congress had no power to legislate on slavery within a state. Part of the amendment made it impossible to be itself amended by a future amendment. Something that is arguably unconstitutional.

Rather than suggesting the proposed amendment went beyond what was necessary (and possibly even proper), he took the occasion of his inauguration to signal assent. He could even have omitted it from his remarks entirely but instead chose to bring up the issue. I call that supporting continuance of the institution via remarks about the amendment. Consider the purpose behind it rather than what its ultimate effect might have been. Not sure where you are finding an inaccurate statement.

Lincoln, who wasn't yet president, did not support the amendment, which would have been kind of pointless since the president has no role in the amendment process.

You don't believe a man recently elected president has any political influence among the members of congress who would be responsible for supporting any proposed amendment by 2/3, or the states that would ultimately have to ratify? Come on. I'm not even suggesting he lobbied for it beforehand, but he made a pretty clear policy statement that he was fine with the institution of slavery continuing where it existed.

He merely said that if the amendment was desired by the country, he had no objection to it being made "unamendable." This was unobjectionable, since it merely made explicit what he believed the Constitution already said by implication.

I did not characterize the amendment or his remarks otherwise. It is the context of his remarks that prove my point. The purpose of the amendment was to assuage the fears of the southern states that slavery would be abolished. Isn't it odd that the Great Emancipator--the man who would plunge the union into war "to end slavery"--did not take the opportunity to criticize the amendment or its purpose? The war was about preventing the south from breaking away, not freeing those held captive there.
112 posted on 08/29/2013 12:45:40 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Trod Upon
The war was about preventing the south from breaking away, not freeing those held captive there.

Correct, in April of 1861, just as the war with UK was not about independence in April of 1775. I don't really know anybody who claims the purpose of the war in early 1861 was freeing the slaves. That's a strawman argument. As if purposes and goals of wars remain unchanged.

Purpose of the war changed, or perhaps expanded is a better word, in both cases over the first year or year and a half of fighting. Thus Declaration of Independence issued 15 months after fighting started, and Emancipation Proclamation issued 17 months after fighting started.

113 posted on 08/29/2013 1:15:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Trod Upon
They could have said whatever they wanted. He was not going to allow them to leave the union.

No, but if they'd freed their slaves, or even put freedom on the calendar, Britain and France would have recognized them, broken the blockade and they would have gained their independence.

But the problem was that the reason they wanted independence was to protect slavery, so independence without slavery was irrelevant. The CSA Congress debated the issue of whether to free even the slave soldiers they were recruiting as late as well into 1865, when most opposed the idea despite the utter peril of the times.

Also, of course, had they freed their slaves they would have had no terribly important reason to leave the Union in the first place.

114 posted on 08/29/2013 1:21:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Trod Upon
You construct a straw man of Lincoln's position on slavery. He didn't run as the man who would end slavery, or the "Great Emancipator." He said repeatedly that he had no intention of ending slavery in the states where it existed. What he consistently opposed was the extension of slavery into the territories--check out the Crittenden Compromise, which he rejected.

Nevertheless, the southern states saw his election as a threat to slavery, as evidenced by their Declarations of Causes, among many other documents, and seceded to protect their property interests.

And there's one fact you can't deny: When the war was over, slavery was dead.

115 posted on 08/29/2013 2:33:58 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Sherman Logan; Pelham; DManA; donmeaker
Sherman Logan: "The Bible in the New Testament neither advocates slavery as a positive good nor opposes it as an evil.
It merely takes it for granted as a fact of life."

I'd suppose that is "common wisdom", because I've read similar things often before.
Nor have I ever read a really serious explanation of the Bible's views toward slavery.
Perhaps its out there, somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

So here goes:

To claim the Bible has "no opinion" on slavery is to miss the entire forest on account of so many trees!
In fact, God hates slavery for His chosen people, it's why he brought them out of Egypt, it's what most of the Old Testament is all about -- Israel's struggles to first escape slavery, and then to eradicate their love of slavery from their own hearts.

Over and over, throughout the Old Testament, God and His prophets remind Israel that their allegiance is owed to Him because He freed them from bondage to humans.
So there could not be a stronger Biblical condemnation of slavery for God's people.

And what is the New Testament all about, if not to make all people who accept Christ into God's chosen people?
The simple fact is that God does not want His people to be slaves to other men, or to sin (note Romans 6:6, Galatians 4:7 & 24).

And the New Testament is also quite clear that God does want His people to be "slaves" to God's law (i.e., Romans 6:18 & 7:25)), to Christ's love, and for those who wish to become leaders: slaves to each other (Matthew 20:27, Mark 10:44).

The New Testament is also clear in condemning slave traders as amongst the worst law breakers.
For that particular gem, I'd invite you to begin reading at 1 Timothy 1:8.

2 Peter 2:19 "people are slaves to whatever has mastered them."

Could there be a stronger condemnation of slavery?

116 posted on 08/29/2013 4:17:02 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: NKP_Vet
I'm watching storm clouds gather over my country as I type this. We need to leave the "War of Northern Aggression," or "Civil War," in the past. We must heal our wounds quickly.

We might not get another chance at liberty this century...

5.56mm

117 posted on 08/29/2013 4:25:13 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: ejonesie22; DManA
ejonesie22: "In as much as I, as a Southerner, appreciate the acknowledgment of Yankee crimes against a people simply seeking freedom from an ever growing Federal Bureaucracy (sounds familiar eh...)"

Your statement here is untrue, slanderous and evidence of profound misinformation about actual history.

Remember first, there was no Civil War in early 1861, until after secessionists provoked it, started it (at Fort Sumter) and formally declared war on the United States, May 6, 1861.
The Confederacy then sent its agents, military supplies and eventually armed forces into every Union state and territory it could reach.
And all that began before a single Confederate soldier had been killed in battle with any Union force.

Second, despite huge exaggerations perpetrated by pro-Confederates, the recorded truth is that very few atrocities were committed by either side against the other's civilians, but both sides did practice "living off the land" in the other's territories.

For a listing of the "top ten" Civil War atrocities, check out this link.

Of the ten worst atrocities listed, three by Union forces, seven by Confederates.
Bottom line: by comparison with other wars -- i.e., First or Second World Wars -- the US Civil War was a fight amongst gentlemen.

118 posted on 08/29/2013 4:52:02 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: CodeToad
CodeToad: "I fully believe the north provoked the fight.
I fully believe the south was prepared to engage in war as well if need be"

In historical fact, despite innumerable incidents, outgoing President Buchanan refused to be provoked into war against secessionists.

And incoming President Lincoln announced in his First Inaugural Address that secessionists could not have war unless they themselves started it.
Which they promptly did, at Fort Sumter and soon after formally declared war on the United States.

The fact is that Civil War came because secessions believed it a better alternative to seemingly never-ending efforts at peaceful processes.

119 posted on 08/29/2013 5:02:07 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Shadowstrike
Shadowstrike: "Practically every year there is a theater release movie, OR a tv movie about the evil South, and the saintly North."

If you're talking about the Civil War itself, I'd say that's far from true.
If we go all the way back to Gone with the Wind, or Birth of a Nation, it's clear that even liberal Hollywood has bent over backwards to be "fair and balanced" toward Southerners.

Of course, I do watch very few movies, so there might be whole genres out there I don't know about, but can't think of even one recently which matches your description.

Can you name some?

120 posted on 08/29/2013 5:12:11 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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