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Letter attacking boy with autism not a hate crime, police say
The Star ^ | Katie Daubs

Posted on 08/20/2013 4:43:54 PM PDT by Morgana

A devastating letter sent to the family of a teen with autism is hateful, but not a hate crime, police say.

“Despite the hateful language used, the Crown Attorney’s office has advised that the content of the letter falls below the threshold for a hate crime,” Durham Region police said in a statement Tuesday. “However, there are other Criminal Code issues that are being considered.”

The criminal code defines hate propaganda as a statement that advocates genocide, publicly incites hatred, or wilfully promotes hatred.

Although the message in the anonymous letter has been spread widely by concerned family and friends, the fact that the offensive screed was addressed to one specific family makes it an improbable hate crime charge, lawyers say.

“If you can’t show that someone has published broadly, then are they really trying to promote hatred or are they just being a nuisance to the poor parents?” said lawyer Philip Tunley, speaking generally, and not about specific facts of the case. “It’s a tough one, but that’s the kind of thing a Crown attorney would look at.”

On Friday, Brenda Millson, the grandmother of 13-year-old Maxwell Begley, received a letter in the mail at her Newcastle home. The anonymous writer, who claims to live in the neighbourhood, complained about the noises the teen makes when outside and wrote that the teen was a “hindrance to everyone.”

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The kid would have to be Amish or gay for it to be a "hate crime".
1 posted on 08/20/2013 4:43:54 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Black, Amish or Gay?

Too bad I guess.


2 posted on 08/20/2013 4:48:58 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Morgana

I have a child with autism. Three boys at his high school created a Facebook page about how they wanted to torture and kill him. Very descriptive. Other kids chimed in. “Tie him to a tree and light him on fire and listen to his screams.”

The police reaction? Boys will be boys!

I went to each parent’s home and told them I would beat the living hell out of the father unless the Facebook page was removed and all kids apologized.

The police came by and said that was assault.

Can you believe it?


3 posted on 08/20/2013 4:50:05 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: Morgana

However, if the autistic son’s parents can allude to the possibility that their son might possibly become queer, black or Progressive in the future, they will reconsider the hate crime charges.


4 posted on 08/20/2013 4:50:36 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: Morgana

“....Or wilfully promotes hatred.”

I hate murderers, terrorists, pedophiles and communists.

I hereby ask every reader to also hate these people.

Come and get me, coppers!


5 posted on 08/20/2013 4:53:37 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Where's my pressure cooker backpack wmd ricin laced al qaeda terrorist BASSELOPE?)
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To: whitedog57

Facebook still permits the pages up that urge the hatred and murder of George Zimmerman.

FB does not have “software that detects” death threats, racists slurs, etc. They have Stalinists who delete certain pages and posts based on political whim.


6 posted on 08/20/2013 4:55:51 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: whitedog57

Time for some vandalism then.

When the police won’t protect your son, you gotta protect yourself.

I can give you about a thousand things you can do to make these people’s lives hell, without getting caught.


7 posted on 08/20/2013 4:58:10 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: Morgana

That’s the way it seems doesn’t it? If the target is a normal, non-homosexual, creepy@$$ cracka, it’s automatically not a “hate crime.” Straight from the mouth of Barry’s boy, Eric the Holder.


8 posted on 08/20/2013 4:58:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Former Rodeo Clown Sensitivity Training class valedictorian.)
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To: whitedog57

I thought the schools were into anti bulling these days. What ever happened to that. Did you tell the principal at your kid’s school about this?


9 posted on 08/20/2013 4:58:54 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: whitedog57

That is just horrible. There is no common decency or shame anymore.

This world is upside-down.


10 posted on 08/20/2013 5:00:03 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Barack Hussein 0bama has American blood on HIS hands!)
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To: whitedog57

Threats are illegal and can be prosecuted.


11 posted on 08/20/2013 5:01:30 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Morgana

awwwwwwwwwww their little angel got a nasty letter about him?

Maybe the kid is a little brat who needs closer supervision...


12 posted on 08/20/2013 5:03:52 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: whitedog57
told them I would beat the living hell out of the father

Don't know where you live but I'd like to go with you.

13 posted on 08/20/2013 5:04:03 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Morgana

It is not a hate crime. On the other hand, the person who wrote it is a very hateful person. Sadly, we no longer are a Christian nation; in a National Socialist society the weak are removed “for the greater good.” There are no group rights in the Constitution. Yet you will note the government creates group rights to gain voting blocks. Autistic people are not a big enough identifiable group with resources to make a good voting block for them. Thus, autistic people are a drag on a National Socialist society and need to be eliminated. That is the way it was the last time National Socialism was on the rise.


14 posted on 08/20/2013 5:04:18 PM PDT by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: Morgana
I thought the schools were into anti bulling these days. What ever happened to that. Did you tell the principal at your kid’s school about this?

Some animals are more equal than others (the core of liberal philosophy). If the same comments were made about a gay or black student, it would be a "hate crime", but not for Autism until families dealing with Autism march lockstep with the Democrats and vote as a block. I prefer the moral alternative - don't bully anyone, treat all kids politely and with respect, and deal appropriately and firmly with parents who allow bullying of any kind.

15 posted on 08/20/2013 5:06:29 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Rodentking

This happened in CanaDUH


16 posted on 08/20/2013 5:07:16 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: whitedog57

I can believe it. Yes, go ahead and talk to the parents, but the most effective thing to do would have been to call Facebook. I got a Facebook page pulled down in one day. Use all the right catch words: lawyers, lawsuit, bad publicity, legal action, writing letters and emails to newspapers, congressmen, and organizations that protect the disabled, etc.


17 posted on 08/20/2013 5:08:20 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Morgana

This ‘hate crime’ BS is pure Communism.

There’s no such thing.

Things are a crime or they’re not.

Beyond establishing a motive it doesn’t matter how the perpetrator felt about the victim.


18 posted on 08/20/2013 5:08:24 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: whitedog57

The police only knows how to issue traffic tickets. To go to their homes was a bad idea. Contact media and give the names of the parents. I’m sure that one of the local stations ,hungry for news, will do that. Make sure to print out copies from Facebook page, police report. If you can afford few hundred extra dollars, have an attorney send letters to parents, police dept. and Facebook indicating that, if God forbid, something happens to your child, all of them will held criminally responsible. It will work. Been there, done that.


19 posted on 08/20/2013 5:09:29 PM PDT by QQQQ
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To: Pollster1

That or until parents with autistic kids sue the crap out of the schools or the parents of the bullies.


20 posted on 08/20/2013 5:11:15 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

What is the sense of having any hate crime legislation? For political correctness expediency? To make the liberals feel good?

When has ANYONE ever been charged with a hate crime?


21 posted on 08/20/2013 5:18:02 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: QQQQ

Good thinking!


22 posted on 08/20/2013 5:19:12 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Morgana

Thought police suck no matter what thoughts they are policing.

If I want to hate someone, it is my right.
If I want to expose my hateful self in the form of a letter, it is my right.
They can do what they want in Canada, but in America we should stick to punishing crimes and not emotions or ignorance.


23 posted on 08/20/2013 5:27:37 PM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: whitedog57

That’s awful! I thought they were cracking down on bullying, but I guess just for some people.


24 posted on 08/20/2013 5:30:53 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Morgana

I’m going to step out on VERY THIN ICE here.

I have a very deep aversion to kids who SCREEEMMM! (And so do a LOT of people.)

I know, a lot of parents think that everyone should love their little dears as much as they do.

But in the last 10 years of so, most parents seem to think that their little darlings can do ANYTHING THEY WANT, ANY TIME THEY WANT and if you don’t like it, why how RUDE ARE YOU?

An autistic child is what he/she is. They are NOT the problem. They do what they do and can be VERY ANNOYING to those around, especially if the parents are “discipline adverse” types who let their little precious do whatever. (Miracle Worker)

I understand that parents of autistic children love those kids more than life itself. But that does NOT excuse them from structuring the child’s behavior to conform, as best as possible, to normal life.

OTH, there are a lot of people who do NOT share this attitude. And they forcing the rest of us to “like” their child is no different than queers who think we all “need” to “understand and like” their lifestyle.

Once upon a time, folks had this thing called “consideration” for those around them. Parents would take a tantruming child OUT of the restaurant in CONSIDERATION of those around. Parents would take their screemers out of church, in CONSIDERATION of those around them. And on and on.

Now, CONSIDERATION is not even in the equation. I love my kid, and so YOU SHOULD TOO. And you should put up with my kid running riot in the store, restaurant, neighborhood because “MY KID” is “SPECIAL.”

I grew up in a farm district that had a disproportionate number of severely retarded and deformed children. Probably fertilizer, pesticides and/or whatever else.

As kids, we all had respect for those unfortunates. But their parents had RESPECT for all others around. It was a TWO WAY STREET.

It isn’t the autistic child that’s at fault, its the idiot parent who thinks he/she is “entitled” to make the “village” accept the child, lack of parenting notwithstanding.

It does NOT take a “village” to raise your damn kid. It takes a RESPONSIBLE adult who has CONSIDERATION for those in close proximity.

We do NOT know both sides of this story. But it seems that maybe, just maybe, the parents are NOT very responsible, and let their little darling terrorize the neighbors. Just something that should be CONSIDERED.

Where else would such vitriol come from?

Now I’ll stand by and watch the flamers and “new age” collectivists try to bury me.


25 posted on 08/20/2013 5:36:15 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Morgana

I think that the woman who wrote the letter saying they should euthanize the boy is suggesting MURDER. She should be convicted for that alone.

In addition, she should be asked if she, herself, would commit the crime if it was her own child.


26 posted on 08/20/2013 5:39:05 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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DEFEAT TYRANNY!
START HERE.
Please Contribute Today!

27 posted on 08/20/2013 5:48:22 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: whitedog57

I have had so really trying times in my life... when you are at complete wit’s end... always remember to be kind. Karma or whatever people of faith may call it, does exist.


28 posted on 08/20/2013 6:04:47 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Morgana

This should be in news, not chat.


29 posted on 08/20/2013 6:15:54 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Squawk 8888

For non-ping Canada list!


30 posted on 08/20/2013 6:16:34 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: FreedomStar3028; All
"For too long we have gotten by in a society that
says the only thing right is to get by and the only
thing wrong is to get caught. Character is doing
what's right when nobody is looking..."

                                                          ~ J. C. Watts Jr.

31 posted on 08/20/2013 6:22:29 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: ConradofMontferrat
You are not on thin ice with me. I am sick to death of parents that believe that no matter what their childs behavior is, you should just have to accept it. Utter B.S.

You are entitled to peace and quiet in your neighborhood!

Would any of the Freepers here defending this kid take it if some inconsiderate lout put their dog out to howl and whine all day? No they would not. There would be posts urging the afflicted to call the police and the humane society to turn said lout in.

Time to call complaints in to the police and child welfare.

32 posted on 08/20/2013 6:25:47 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Morgana; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

33 posted on 08/20/2013 6:31:13 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Morgana

My BS Meter has been twitching since I read this story.


34 posted on 08/20/2013 6:33:34 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Morgana

I wonder what’s meant by “noise polluting whaling”.


35 posted on 08/20/2013 6:36:36 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: Morgana

Let me guess. White?


36 posted on 08/20/2013 6:48:18 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: ConradofMontferrat

You are pointing out all the evidence of the self-absorbed culture we have become. “Virtues” of kindness, consideration, respect, empathy, and a sense of obligation are all out the window.

Anything goes as long as it goes “my way” is the modern life philosophy... and it gets worse every day.

Remember how we all felt on and after September 11, 2001? How long did that really last before everyone was back to their old selfish ways? Everyone is back in front of their computers updating their Facebook status. Catching up with Kim Kardashian and Honey Boo Boo... complianing that they can’t get a job, and wanting Obama to bail them out of their outrageous student loan debt...

It’s tiresome.

Dare I say it and trigger the not-so-passive NSA “chatter detector bots”... but maybe it’s high time for a humiliating reminder from the people that hate our nation just how ignorant we are.

Gotta go... sounds like someone is at the door... trying to kick it down.


37 posted on 08/20/2013 6:52:55 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: ConradofMontferrat

“I understand that parents of autistic children love those kids more than life itself. But that does NOT excuse them from structuring the child’s behavior to conform, as best as possible, to normal life.”

The kid was playing in his Grandmothers backyard during daylight hours.
All kids make noise. My autistic son made more noise than most kids and it was the same kind of noise the kid in this story makes.
My position is it’s no more annoying than neighbors who mow their lawns at 8am on Sat. or Sun morning.

Kid was in his grandmothers private backyard. Neighbor doesn’t like...too damn bad. Plenty of things “normal” people do annoy the living hell out of me.


38 posted on 08/20/2013 7:02:31 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: whitedog57

you should’ve threatened a big money lawsuit and you were going to sue all the parents. Then say, “see you in court.” You will see how fast they take it down. People fear losing money, not getting a black eye. also threaten to sue the school for negligence for ignoring bullying and allowing harassment of your son to continue. money talks.


39 posted on 08/20/2013 7:03:15 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: Morgana

I read the letter. I wanted to vomit.

I have a 12-year-old autistic daughter.

She cannot speak, she is not potty trained. (Lord knows we’ve tried.) She does like to go outside, yet she doesn’t ‘scream’ or yell loudly.

I do not know what the woman who wrote that disgusting piece of satanic filth believes, but I can guess it is likely she is NOT a believer in Jesus Christ. All I can do it pray for her.

For some, it’s all about ‘me, me, me.’ Compassion, love, and (the right kind of) tolerance are foreign concepts to many these days.


40 posted on 08/20/2013 7:15:49 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: metalurgist; ConradofMontferrat
I'm inclined to agree. The Bible says spare the rod and spoil the child. It does not say “unless your child has special needs”. People get bent out of shape when I say this, even Christians but hey the Bible says it. That does not mean thrash an autistic child to death but it means “correct the behavior”.

I don't know how much this boy was screaming but I went on youtube and watched some autistic children having meltdowns and let me tell you some of them could belt it out. I can see that would get annoying fast. I could see neighbors would be pissed or people in a restaurant might become agitated. Out of consideration for others parents should remove those kids from the public until the child can control himself.

41 posted on 08/20/2013 7:19:07 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

“I can see that would get annoying fast. I could see neighbors would be pissed or people in a restaurant might become agitated. Out of consideration for others parents should remove those kids from the public until the child can control himself.”

Kid wasn’t in a restaurant he was in his grandmothers fenced backyard. That’s not really in public.


42 posted on 08/20/2013 7:25:27 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: Cyman
My BS Meter has been twitching since I read this story.

My BS meter started twitching too, when she mentioned in the first TV interview that she has MS and the treatments are expensive. That had nothing to do with the story, so why mention it? So I did some searching. The first result was Oshawa Woman’s Small Victories After Controversial MS Therapy, where we learn that Karla and hubby went to Mexico to get MS therapy. She complained to the press that the treatment wasn't available in Canada. Next, Rock'n'Roll Heaven Legends Show - Jul 11/09 - Toronto ON invited everyone to attend a show where all the proceeds went to The Karla Begley Foundation, a non-profit organization benefiting Karla Begley. Then check out We all care - Justice for Max to see the newest fundraiser, mentioned in a Global News article yesterday. That came up a little too quickly to be unplanned. I would not be surprised to discover that Karla Begley herself wrote that letter. Maybe the neighbors asked her to try to control her kid's screaming, so she figured she could shut them up and make some money at the same time.

43 posted on 08/20/2013 7:36:34 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: snarkybob
I was referring to all kids in that comment. However since you brought it up some neighborhood do have a noise ordinance. Does not matter if one has a fence in backyard on not, if someone is making too much noise they are in violation. Usually though people send letters telling them to keep the noise down not to put their child down like one would a sick animal.
44 posted on 08/20/2013 7:41:40 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

“I was referring to all kids in that comment. However since you brought it up some neighborhood do have a noise ordinance. Does not matter if one has a fence in backyard on not, if someone is making too much noise they are in violation. Usually though people send letters telling them to keep the noise down not to put their child down like one would a sick animal.”

I posted upthread. I’m sure when my Autistic son was being loud it did annoy the neighbors. The neighbors dogs annoyed me. Same as the neighbors lawnmowers and one neighbors Harley.
No the person who wrote this hasn’t a leg to stand on as far as being justified. Just a bitter hate filled individual who like any good bully targets the weakest available person to take it out on.


45 posted on 08/20/2013 7:47:26 PM PDT by snarkybob
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Uhh, the kid is AUTISTIC, not a brat. From the description he sounds like my neighbor’s son who is severely autistic and unable to care for himself. Sounds like the neighbor advocates the Nazi solution for undesirables.


46 posted on 08/20/2013 7:59:49 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Morgana
On the face of it I would say the letter writer is a piece of human dung.

However there is one part of the letter that makes me wonder if the Autistic kids caretaker is putting them outside and not taking care of them.

If such is true there should be someone checking on the kids. Still even at that the letter writer is a piece of human dung.

47 posted on 08/20/2013 8:03:28 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Morgana

He’s not black therefore no hate crime.


48 posted on 08/20/2013 8:23:58 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“However there is one part of the letter that makes me wonder if the Autistic kids caretaker is putting them outside and not taking care of them.”

There was a video of the kid that was making the rounds today. He likes playing with his ball that’s why he plays in the backyard.


49 posted on 08/20/2013 8:33:41 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

There are laws in some places concerning the neighbor’s dog! As for the lawnmower that can’t be helped but if your neighbor mowed the lawn at 3 am you would have a complaint!!

Some places don’t like to hear any children yelling so they just ban children or pass laws where children may be. I can see that children screaming could get on one’s nerves.


50 posted on 08/20/2013 9:11:20 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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