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Muslim History 101: Who has the better claim to the Temple Mount -- the Muslims or the Jews?
American Thinker ^ | 08/14/2013 | Mike Konrad

Posted on 08/15/2013 7:52:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This is what the fight is all about: In the center of Jerusalem is the sacred structure which the Jews label as the Temple Mount, and the Arabs refer to as the Haram al-Sharif (the noble sanctuary) and Al-Aqsa (the farthest Mosque). A mere 35 acres; yet touch it, and the Ummah [the Islamic homeland] will go to war.

So who has the better claim?

Ignoring the issue of political sovereignty, let us focus solely on which religion has the greater claim to that sacred space.

According to the Quran, at one time all of mankind was Muslim; and all men had apostasized into error.

Surah 42:13 ... He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus

However, mankind corrupted the message of Islam; and so Allah raised up one last messenger. Allah sent Jibreel (Gabriel) to a man named Mohammed to restore the original truth to the Arabs, which they were to bring to the world through jihad.

Quran 66:9 Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers ... According to Islam, since mankind was originally Muslim, all places of true worship must have originally been a mosque.

This is the reason that Muslim Arabs claim justification in taking the sacred areas of whatever lands they seize, and restoring the buildings to what they perceive as their original service to Allah. The "Temple Area" in Jerusalem became the Al-Aqsa (farthest) Mosque, in the city, now renamed Al Quds. Constantinople's Christian Hagia Sofia was defaced and dedicated to Islam. The Hindu Temple of Rama in Ayohya, India destroyed and rebuilt as the Babri Mosque. [The Hindus finally seized it back in 1992] One can only begin to imagine what may soon happen to Notre Dame in Paris.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: holyland; islam; judaism; muslims; templemount
THE BIBLE vs THE QURAN:

Against the myths of Islam, Jewish claims are based on history, first person accounts, archeology, and the Bible. The Jews have an embarrassment of riches from which to make their claim to the Mount.

1 posted on 08/15/2013 7:52:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

islamics have no claim to anything but death and destruction.


2 posted on 08/15/2013 7:55:27 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SeekAndFind

Given the background of the universal Muslim propensity to lie...coupled with the fact that that “religion/cult” was founded literally a thousand years or more after the Jews were developing theirs...one can surmise the correct conclusion.

If: Islam
Then: Lie

Sorta like the Obamadork administration, eh?

Hmmmmmm........


3 posted on 08/15/2013 7:55:45 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

What fight? Israel has conceded control of the Temple Mount to the Muslims. There is no fight, but there should be.


4 posted on 08/15/2013 7:57:30 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Da Coyote

Not that this Jew gives a whip about Islam....but it is interesting that they say the angel Gabriel (Gavriel....) went to Mr. AlaAlaboomboomMohamed. Gavriel is the angel of strength/severity/harsh judgement/restriction. (as opposed to Michael, who is his polar opposite, vis-a-vis attributes)


5 posted on 08/15/2013 7:59:51 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: SeekAndFind
One could note the Bible, which mentions the temple over a hundred times, and Jerusalem over 800 times; yet never once mentions Allah

Stopped reading here. The Hebrew word "Elohim," which is cognate in the closely related Arabic to "Allah," is used over 2600 times in the OT. The two words basically mean the same thing linguistically, though one is free to decide for himself whether they refer to the same Person.

The Hebrew Bible also never uses the English word "God," which is the usual translation for the Hebrew "Elohim." That it doesn't use the Arabic word for God, from a language of over a thousand years after it was written, is about as comprehensively irrelevant point as can be imagined.

6 posted on 08/15/2013 8:00:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone needs the wisdom of Solomon here. Offer to destroy the Temple and see who walks away and who sets the fire.

Simple. Done.


7 posted on 08/15/2013 8:01:03 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Daveinyork

Have you considered that they walked away, because they are the rightful owners and do not want to see it destroyed?

That would be Biblical, would it not?


8 posted on 08/15/2013 8:02:49 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

I believe you’ve resolved the issue!!

given the date that MoMo was “given” the koran.....id SUSPECT....that anyone capable of engaging in logical though would note that its a cheap imitation....


9 posted on 08/15/2013 8:06:42 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Oy vey. Context clues, OT is not talking about Allah.


10 posted on 08/15/2013 8:12:32 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Since the Jews predate the mooslimes by a couple thousand years, I’d give the advantage to them. But then again, I’d cede the Temple Mount to flesh-eating Denubian brain worms before I’d give it to raggies.


11 posted on 08/15/2013 8:14:48 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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Defeat Tyranny!
Start Here!


12 posted on 08/15/2013 8:20:42 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Sherman Logan

What?
This allah is a demon, and so is his cult.


13 posted on 08/15/2013 8:25:12 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Jews.


14 posted on 08/15/2013 8:26:05 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: svcw

I am talking about two words, in Hebrew and Arabic, that have essentially identical meanings.

As I said, you are perfectly free to decide the person Muslims actually worship is really a demon. But you are not free to claim that since the Hebrew Bible does not use a word in a language that did not exist at the time, it “proves” something about Jewish/Muslim comparative claims to the Holy Mount.

IOW, while I agree with the author’s conclusions, some of his arguments are illogical or irrelevant.


15 posted on 08/15/2013 8:29:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Sorry, I am free to state what I wish and that is your are wrong.
You apparently have no historical context and are driven by some logic known only to you to make allah and God the same.
You are free to ignore me.


16 posted on 08/15/2013 8:39:44 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SeekAndFind

when was the Temple Mount first mentioned
in Islamic literature?


17 posted on 08/15/2013 8:42:39 AM PDT by RockyTx
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To: SeekAndFind

The children of God — and that AIN’T the Muslims.


18 posted on 08/15/2013 8:44:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: svcw

Allah, from the 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, well before PC existed.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01316a.htm


19 posted on 08/15/2013 8:45:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

allah is not God, no matter how much you want it to be.


20 posted on 08/15/2013 8:46:59 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Truth2012

I think it was more like the misguided belief that if you are nice to evil people, they will be nice to you.


21 posted on 08/15/2013 9:12:04 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: RockyTx

The Temple Mount was never mentioned in Islamic literature. Jerusalem was never mentioned in the Koran. Mohammed supposedly took a “night journey” on his flying horse Barack, to the “farthest away mosque”. That’s a pretty slim claim on Jerusalem. At least they got the name of the horse right.


22 posted on 08/15/2013 9:27:10 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: svcw

Sorry Islamic fools...the Jews Called DIBS


23 posted on 08/15/2013 9:29:10 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: svcw

Do you understand the difference between the meaning of a word, and the identity of the referent of that word?

If I say that the English word God, the Hebrew word Elohim and the Arabic word Allah have basically identical meanings, that is a linguistic fact. Thus Arabic Christians, including the Copts presently being attacked in Egypt, use Allah in their services and Bibles to refer to the One True God.

I am not saying the Allah worshipped by the Copts is the same Person as the one worshipped by the Muslims, only that the word is the same. And that it means basically the same thing as God, Deus, Elohim, Theos, and Dios.


24 posted on 08/15/2013 9:40:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
“I am talking about two words, in Hebrew and Arabic, that have essentially identical meanings.”

History notes that the name allah was the name of the moon god worshiped by Arabs. Note that this god had an idol in the edifice in Mecca, along with many others. Mohammed's parents worshiped this god.

When Mohamed cleared the edifice of idols, he declared that the one true name of god was his father's god, allah.

Since this occurred in the 7th century, and Jerusalem, nor the Temple Mounts is mentioned anywhere in the Koran, I would say that the Jewish Temple site is in Jerusalem.

The important point is that whenever Islam physically invades a country, the first act is to occupy and change the original population's worship sites to mosques. What will happen to Norte Dame Cathedal once the muslims have their was.

In the past if you were a Christian or Jew, you had the choice of submission, without conversion. All others had the choice of conversion or death. Which would you choose?

Since the Shiite and Sunni believe we are in the last days, they now give no choice, but murder anyone they consider an infidel. The aim of Islam is not a religious one, it is a goal of conquest, and has always been a goal of conquest for the moon god allah.

25 posted on 08/15/2013 9:46:11 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Sherman Logan

You are wrong and we are done.


26 posted on 08/15/2013 9:50:16 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: svcw

Shut up, he explained.

Have a nice day.


27 posted on 08/15/2013 9:52:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Yulee
History notes that the name allah was the name of the moon god worshiped by Arabs. Note that this god had an idol in the edifice in Mecca, along with many others. Mohammed's parents worshiped this god. When Mohamed cleared the edifice of idols, he declared that the one true name of god was his father's god, allah.

Suggest you check the link in post 19.

28 posted on 08/15/2013 10:08:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind
Allah Satan raised up one last messenger. Allah Satan sent a demon disguised as Jibreel (Gabriel) to a man named Mohammed to restore the original truth spread lies to the Arabs, which they were to bring to the world through jihad.

There...fixed it.

29 posted on 08/15/2013 11:14:57 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: MeshugeMikey; Daveinyork

The idea isn’t mine. :) I can’t take any credit for it. I know about it from studying the Bible.
1Kings 3:16-28

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+3%3A16-28&version=NIV


30 posted on 08/15/2013 11:33:14 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

Amen and Amen!


31 posted on 08/15/2013 11:38:20 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: Phinneous

To us Christians Michael is known as “The Avenging Angel’’, Gods fighting knight against evil.


32 posted on 08/15/2013 11:51:11 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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Thanks SeekAndFind.
According to the Quran, at one time all of mankind was Muslim; and all men had apostasized into error.
Also according to the Koran, Alexander the Great had horns. IOW, the Koran is agitprop.


33 posted on 08/15/2013 12:41:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Truth2012

I’ve been there. There is nothing to destroy except the Al Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock. I have no objections to their destruction.


34 posted on 08/16/2013 9:16:46 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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