Posted on 08/08/2013 6:21:31 PM PDT by metmom
City results on state math and reading tests plummeted last year – confirming warnings that testing kids on tougher educational standards would shock the school systems from New York to Buffalo.
Fewer than 30 percent of public school kids in grades 3 to 8 passed the state math exams last year, while roughly 26 percent passed the exams in reading, according to the Wall Street Journal.
That’s down from pass rates of 60 percent in math in 2011 and 47 percent in reading.
The poor results were prompted by New York’s adoption of higher learning standards known as Common Core, which was embraced by 44 other states and Washington D.C.
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The NYC schools start at 11 with mandatory classes to encourage kids to have rampant sex. They are not interested in teaching math and reading.
I blame the schools and teachers for this crap.
Plenty of blame to go around to all parties: the schools, the parents, and the students
The commies in the education dept. are doing their jobs well, i.e., creating more and more future Democratic voters.
NYC schools start at 11? Only if you're on the late session, thanks to the extreme overcrowding. I'm talking 4,000 kids in buildings built for 2,500. They run 3 shifts of teachers and 2 shifts of students.
Not interested in teaching math and reading? Where did you get this absurd idea? And, BTW, the kids in High School don't NEED any classes to have rampant sex. They get that from their loose-moral "parents", listening to crap music, watching movies with anything and everything going on in them, and endless "E.D." commercials on the radio. Sex, sex, sex. Have more sex. Have better sex.
The "students" don't listen to much of anything their teachers say. Those test scores prove it. Why would they listen to them about sex?
Schools start with 11 year old kids and tell them its okay to have random sex, its a mandatory course, printing uut a route to the nearest abortion clinic is the first thing they are taught,
It is a pro-sex sex ed class.
No opt outs.
And you know this for an absolute fact, eh? Have you been in these classes? Taught them? Seen the curriculum? Because I know people who have taught the class “Health” and what you claim they teach is not on the curriculum and they never taught. They would certainly NOT tell their students, “It’s okay to have random sex” nor would they point out any abortion clinics. In fact, if word got back to parents or the administration that they indeed were saying such things, they would be up on charges. Stop spreading irresponsible rumors.
Going my media accounts from various sources
There are plenty of religious people teaching in public schools--Catholics, Orthodox Jews, etc. They would certainly not advocate abortion! So you can't make a blanket condemnation based on what perhaps an individual teacher or a couple of teachers said or did. That would not be valid in any situation, would it?
It is the pro-sex agenda of the leftwing in NYC
There is no denying the new program exists. It sure made PLANNED PARENTHOOD happy.
The same Planned Parenthood that tells kids and youths with HIV-AIDS to not tell their partners if this would deny them sex. I believe it is a felony in every state, but Planned Parenthood tells them it is their “RIGHT”
http://ippf.org/resource/Healthy-Happy-and-Hot-young-peoples-guide-rights
NY TIMES:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/nyregion/in-new-york-city-a-new-mandate-on-sex-education.html?_r=0
“City officials said that while there would be frank discussions with students as young as 11 on topics like anatomy, puberty, pregnancy and the risks of unprotected sex...”
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/25/us/new-york-sex-ed
http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/schoolbook/2012/jan/30/new-sex-education-mandate-takes-effect/
assignments include: finding stores that sell condoms and how much they cost; researching where how to get to a clinic that provides birth control and tests for STDs; and “risk” cards that allow the children to learn the relative safety of varying degrees of sexual activity.
refers students to a Columbia University website called “Go Ask Alice” — which details sexual positions, types of sex that don’t include intercourse and more — the Department of Education maintains it is promoting abstinence first.
An op-ed in The New York Times last week calls this opt-out “very limited” in terms of parental control. The op-ed contributors Robert P. George and Melissa Morchella state that it is undeniable the curriculum is “sexualizing children” a younger and younger ages and that mandates such as this “violate parents’ rights”:
But no one can plausibly claim that teaching middle-schoolers about mutual masturbation is “neutral” between competing views of morality; the idea of “value free” sex education was exploded as a myth long ago.
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MA and CA now allow self-proclaimed “tranny” kids shower and share bathrooms with the opposite sex. The original MA bll would have punished girls who resisted sharing bathrooms with a “tranny” boy as a hate crime.
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Teachers call for leniency to pedophile
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3052265/posts
those teachers should be fired!!
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You say no teacher would ever do that, but its not true
Seems it all has to do with deemphasizing the testing that was the heart of No Child Left Behind.
I remember Bush standing on the stage at a Harlem charter school and saying, in that emphatic way he had, "If you don't care about something, why measure it?" The absolute crux of the issue: accountability.
“What a rousing success the leftists have had in dumbing down America”
I got the impression from the people making billions from this school system that the test was expected to produce horrible results so they could claim improvement over the next 20 years by inching higher annually; they had to get away from “No Child Left Behind” provisions because those billions (including the large portion directly funneled to the Dems) would disappear if those students could simply switch out of their failing schools.
New York really is the next Detroit...
Schools don’t fail. Students fail.
The schools have failed the students.
That’s crap. The parents have failed their children.
Well, then, if the parents have failed the children, why aren’t the children getting an education?
It’s supposed to be the teachers who teach, not the parents. After all, they’re the *trained professionals*, right?
If the public education system worked, it would work with or without parental involvement. The fact that it doesn’t work without parental involvement proves that it doesn’t work at all. What works is the parents doing it.
Parents *helping their kids with homework* = homeschooling.
Public school kids who succeed do so in spite of the public education system, not because of it.
EinNYC, as my kids would say.
You’ve been PWND.
You simply have no case. What Geron is stating is too widespread, too well known, and too well documented.
Stop while you’re ahead.
I”m a bit surprised at your response, metmom, knowing how you feel about education. You said, “It’s supposed to be the teachers who teach, not the parents.” I have to disagree with this statement somewhat. Teachers ought to be assisting the parent in the training of their children. It’s the very notion that this is fully the teacher’s job that is at the heart of what’s wrong in public education today, is it not?
You also said, “The fact that it doesn’t work without parental involvement proves that it doesn’t work at all.” Again, think about this statement for a moment and the “training up” you’ve done with your own children. The message the parent sends to his/her children about anything, directly informs the values a child has, the decision a child makes. A lack of involvement in a child’s education will send a clear signal to that child about the level of importance the activity of learning ought to receive.
Finally, you said, “Public school kids who succeed do so in spite of the public education system, not because of it.” How do you think they do this? By their own strivings? Well, to a large degree, yes. These students succeed amidst all manner of things that run contrary to learning. But I guarantee you, GUARANTEE YOU, that they do it with the advantage of having a significant adult presence at home exhorting, admonishing, reproving, and, occasionally rebuking them toward the finish line.
No. The role of parents in education is critical. Look in Deuteronomy 6:4-9
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Parents’ abdication of their responsibility for their children’s education (a responsibility that we, as homeschoolers take to the fullest degree) is an important component (but by no means the only component) of what makes America’s public schools the abysmal failure they are today.
Yes, but I think you read it wrong.
I was using the argument which educators use. I have heard far too often how parents are not *qualified* to teach because fill in the blank...., as an argument against homeschooling.
I've certainly seen far too often the education establishment take credit for its success. I've seen enough bumper stickers which say *If you (your child) can read this, thank a teacher*.
If they're going to take credit for the success of education, they need to accept responsibility for its failure as well.
If the education establishment worked, it would work without the parents involvement. The fact that the parents are critical to a child's successful education shows that it doesn't do what is claimed, IOW, it doesn't work.
I see it differently.
The way I see it is that the public education system is an abysmal failure not because of lack of parental involvement, but because it is an abysmal failure inherently, and the only reason it is not universally an abysmal failure is because of parental involvement.
The product is broken, it doesn't work.
I guess I was putting the emphasis on the wrong phrases in your post, just as someone could do with mine insofar as, by citing Deuteronomy, I am suggesting that it falls [solely] to parents to educate (not so sure I disagree with that, by the way), while seeming to go to bat for public schools.
My original notion for engaging this thread was to bemoan all the hand-wringing we here at FR do over what we all know is an institution that, well, needs to be “institutionalized!” Public education in America today is doing great, great harm to our nation. Period. That said, I am a public school teacher. I go in, in David vs. Goliath fashion and hope to hurl a few stones at the giant’s eyes and maybe encourage a few “Israelites” watching from the sidelines along the way. I know my efforts are feeble as compared to what is called for—and that might be, for me, the greatest source of frustration I have with my conservative brethren.
Given that we know how important ideas are, why aren’t we doing whatever we can in trying to “infiltrate” and overthrow liberalism in this stronghold? Where are the conservative teachers, professors, school board members, principals, superintendents? Where’s the engagement of this enemy? Writing articles and blogs—hurling stones through already broken windows might make one feel better for a time, but these “efforts” are the easier ones to engage in and do little to achieve the desired goals. We’ve been reading recently about how failure to reject amnesty, when it comes to illegal immigration will ensure perpetual electoral defeat, how ignoring this issue will deliver a boat-load of like-minded voters over to the democrats. Well, I say conservatives have already been involved in such voter “shipments by fully ceding the ground of education in America to the liberal mindset, where liberal foundations are being laid every year...generation after generation.
I know the more “nationalized” public education becomes, the more difficult the job will be, but simply bemoaning the failure of public education, sitting on the sidelines while all things liberal continue apace in the “American Schoolhouse of ideas”, and then wondering how our nation’s slide can be prevented is, to me, an example of some pretty bad math (not putting two and two together.)
I think you and I are talking about two distinct groups of parents. There is no question that, to the degree parents are involved, there is a measure of success. The students that I have who are motivated, self-monitoring, industrious when it comes to their learning all have involved, concerned parents. The majority of students in the school where I work, however, do not have such parents. And it is this group that, by and large, abdicate some, most, all (depending on the parent) responsibility when it comes to their children’s learning.
Some of these parents are beyond help. Some of them need a kick in the back-side. Some of these parents need a break. Some of these parents feel trapped and helpless. All of these parents live in/near the neighborhoods where we (you and I and all other Freepers) live. And, they all send their kids to public schools. What to do?
They don’t have the homeschool option (through their own bad choices, lack of knowledge, lack of will—for whatever reason) and they avail themselves of the public school system which, we all know, is doing them no great service. What to do?
Their kids’ learning is diminishing more and more with each passing year. Basic skills are jettisoned in exchange for advanced socialization. They are on the fast track headed toward a lifetime of dependency, misery, poverty. Their limitations will guarantee that they will never be able to function in a society that requires functionality. Eventually, candidates will come along to grant them victimization status/an endless menu of hand-outs (oops—this is already happening). What to do?
At some point, these under-educated masses will comprise the majority (or a near-majority) of our population. Our government apparatus will have to increase to meet the demands of the resulting burgeoning need. The flight from these areas will increase, the degradation of these areas will increase in direct proportion. Cities and large towns will die (lack of skilled workers, too much need, too many taxes). Oops, again. Already happening. What to do?
At some point, we’ll all be asking (somewhere just before the final great collapse), “What could we have done?”
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