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World War II veteran, 95, died after police shot him with TASER and bean bag rounds
dailymail ^ | 7 August 2013 | By Anna Edwards

Posted on 08/08/2013 7:40:19 AM PDT by dennisw

John Wrana was being 'involuntarily' committed for medical treatment Brandished his cane and a shoehorn and police were called to care home

A 95-year-old world War II veteran died after being Tasered and hit with bean bag rounds by police for threatening care home staff - but his family insist he was killed unnecessarily.

Police say that John Wrana, who lived in a Chicago assisting living home, was brandishing his cane, a metal shoehorn and a knife before officers shocked him and hit him with bean bag rounds.

The senior citizen had been reported to authorities because he was being 'involuntarily' committed for medical treatment by staff at the Victory Centre, the Chicago Tribune reported.

He was behaving in 'combative' manner, by threatening staff with his cane and a shoehorn. Wrana was reportedly scheduled to undergo a risky surgery, and was apparently afraid to end up on life support.

When police arrived at Park Forest at around 8.45pm, they said he was ordered to surrender, but he refused to and continued to berate staff and threaten them.

Officers claim he then picked up a 6-inch knife, but his family's attorney alleges that care home staff did not see him do this, The Blaze reported.

He was then shocked by a Taser, hit with rounds of bean bag ammunition, and was taken into custody and then to hospital.

Staff claimed that he was sitting in a chair during the row, suggesting that the force used by authorities might not have been warranted, according to The Blaze.

The Chicago Tribune reported that Mr Wrana was conscious when he was taken to St. James Hospital and Health Centers in Chicago Heights.

But he was then moved to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he died at about 2.30am.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
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1 posted on 08/08/2013 7:40:19 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

YOUR FUTURE UNDER OBAMA-CARE!!!! And half witted policeman...really really stupid ones


2 posted on 08/08/2013 7:41:10 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

I’m a big supporter of law enforcement. They have a tough, thankless job.

But this just comes across as excessive to me.

I wasn’t there, though.


3 posted on 08/08/2013 7:41:32 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Ted Grant

“Staff claimed that he was sitting in a chair during the row”

I’d say it sounds excessive


4 posted on 08/08/2013 7:46:50 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Ted Grant
"I wasn’t there, though."

Nice how you qualified it all. What a bootlicker!

They were probably all dressed up like ninjas for their trip to the nursing home. If he would have had a dog, those pigs would have killed it too.

5 posted on 08/08/2013 7:48:59 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: dennisw

Nothing more dangerous than a vet with a cane!


6 posted on 08/08/2013 7:51:53 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: dennisw

If he was my father...


7 posted on 08/08/2013 7:58:04 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: dennisw

One unanswered question would be where was the man’s family?
They might have been able to calm him. Someone sure needed to before the police were called. How many truly dangerous 95 year olds do any of us know. Once the police are in on it, it is going to be luck of the draw as to how things play out. In this case another veteran is dispatched for lack of social skills on the part of the police.


8 posted on 08/08/2013 7:59:45 AM PDT by wita
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To: dennisw

He was behaving in ‘combative’ manner, by threatening staff with his cane and a shoehorn. Wrana was reportedly scheduled to undergo a risky surgery, and was apparently afraid to end up on life support.

If the man didn’t want the surgery why were they going to force him to it?

I guess he didn’t end up on life support, he ended up dead....

The man should have the freedom to refuse surgery, freedom means making bad decisions sometimes, this is concept progressives don’t understand at all...


9 posted on 08/08/2013 8:00:19 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: dennisw

It takes a real assh*le to do that to a 95 year-old man...


10 posted on 08/08/2013 8:00:28 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: dennisw
But he was then moved to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he died was euthanized at about 2.30am.
11 posted on 08/08/2013 8:08:35 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: dennisw

F***ing cops. I hope family members of this poor guy sue the sh*t out of them.


12 posted on 08/08/2013 8:10:04 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: equaviator

What are the chances that the cops were a bunch of blacks who, like the OJ jury, or the “justice for trayvon” crowd, don’t care much for the life of a white person?


13 posted on 08/08/2013 8:10:45 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Ted Grant
I’m a big supporter of law enforcement. They have a tough, thankless job. But this just comes across as excessive to me. I wasn’t there, though.

A 95 year old dude sitting in a chair? You are not only a supporter but you are wearing kneepads.

14 posted on 08/08/2013 8:18:15 AM PDT by Starstruck (With Government nothing ever changes............for the better.)
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To: Ted Grant
I’m a big supporter of law enforcement. They have a tough, thankless job.

Couldn't agree more. But you have your share of idiots in every profession (bad engineers, bad bus drivers, bad teachers, bad bank managers, etc.) It does scare me when municipalities hire cops at starting salaries below $30K. At that point you're almost trolling for idiots.


15 posted on 08/08/2013 8:21:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: count-your-change

“Nothing more dangerous than a vet with a cane!”

Yes and one that is 95 years old too!

Do I really need the sarc/ for that?


16 posted on 08/08/2013 8:26:18 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Starstruck; All

“A 95 year old dude sitting in a chair? You are not only a supporter but you are wearing kneepads. “

My opinion is that if two or three male nurses could not control a 95 year old bedridden man then there is something wrong with those nurses!! They should have never called the police in the first place!


17 posted on 08/08/2013 8:28:33 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: dennisw

At this point, what difference does it make? Just an old White ex-army guy. No need to grab his dangerous cane and assault weapon shoe horn. No need for the burly cops, armed with guns, tasers, bear spray, nightsticks and handcuffs to surround the guy and take away the dangerous weapons. Just knock the $h!t out of the old guy. So what if he dies? Jesse jackson and al sharpton are not gonna do a war dance over this. The feds won’t investigate a civil rights complaint.

Just one more old White ex-army guy.
Who gives a $h!t?


18 posted on 08/08/2013 8:29:05 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Apathy is what everybody's worried about.)
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To: Ted Grant
I’m a big supporter of law enforcement. They have a tough, thankless job. But this just comes across as excessive to me.
I agree, and the truth is somewhere probably somewhere in between both sides' stories.
What I didn't care for is how the man was identified as a,"world War II veteran." His status as a veteran is admirable, but its not a "get out of jail free" card.
19 posted on 08/08/2013 8:31:50 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: GraceG

Exactly...he refused tentatively helpful surgery so they killed him.....smooth.


20 posted on 08/08/2013 8:32:03 AM PDT by Therapsid (Communism has killed 50-60 Million people in only 50 yrs.)
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To: dennisw

The article the other day where cops in Ohio shot like 140 freaking rounds at the unarmed couple.

Was just beyond belief...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051675/posts


21 posted on 08/08/2013 8:36:48 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Morgana

Dear Diary, Today was great! Sun shining, birds singing, and I killed a 95 year old guy for “brandishing” a cane.

“Do I really need the sarc/ for that?”

Nah...the whole event is a sarcasm. What possible threat could an old guy like that be if he had a hundred knives and a bazooka besides?


22 posted on 08/08/2013 8:38:27 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

We have a winner. You get what you pay for.


23 posted on 08/08/2013 8:46:58 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: dennisw

They had to kill him in order to make him get better.


24 posted on 08/08/2013 8:47:49 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: GraceG
Was this an instance of “suicide by cop”? The police used “nonlethal” weapons, but what may be nonlethal on a 20 year old gangbanger is lethal on a 95 year old in a nursing home.
25 posted on 08/08/2013 8:52:05 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Resolute Conservative

full disclosure....I could NEVER be a cop.
I would absolutely suck at that job.
So I admire those who can do it well.

I would never make it thru my first domestic call.
“You are BOTH too STUPID to LIVE!!!!!”


26 posted on 08/08/2013 8:54:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: dennisw

95? 95! effin cops. Maybe they should have called in the Marines.


27 posted on 08/08/2013 9:14:00 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: oh8eleven
What I didn't care for is how the man was identified as a,"world War II veteran." His status as a veteran is admirable, but its not a "get out of jail free" card.

Yeah, he should have been jailed for not having the procedure the center wanted him to. That's got to be a major felony. And the sooner they stop with that "greatest generation" crap and quit sucking up resources, the better off we'll all be, right?

28 posted on 08/08/2013 10:08:52 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: dennisw

What I don’t understand is why the PD didn’t deploy a full-on SWAT team, complete with dogs, tank and RPG’s?

(Please detect sarc)


29 posted on 08/08/2013 10:24:15 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: dennisw

Policemen used to be ok, you had good ones and bad ones, but good or bad they were human beings, now they are just like a bunch of police state mentality programed robots.


30 posted on 08/08/2013 10:51:24 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Buckeye McFrog

. At that point you’re almost trolling for idiots.


I believe they will get the same thing regardless of what they pay because that is what they want.


31 posted on 08/08/2013 11:02:30 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: dennisw

The poor man. No civilized country would tolerate this.


32 posted on 08/08/2013 11:07:49 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

full disclosure....I could NEVER be a cop.
I would absolutely suck at that job.


Yeah, me too, on a domestic call i would just show up and start washing dishes or windows, always something to be done and after all, what are they paying me for anyway?

Surely they are not paying me to come in and murder them.


33 posted on 08/08/2013 11:18:08 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: colorado tanker
So you think someone who served in the military should be treated differently than someone who hasn't? And if so, how do we ID the vets ... armbands with yellow stars?
And taking it another step further - should we treat veterans who have seen combat differently than those who were "in the rear with the gear?"
And speaking of that "greatest generation", they also gave us Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Vietnam. I spent 13 months in combat there ... didn't see a damned thing that was great.
34 posted on 08/08/2013 11:22:30 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: dennisw

suicide by cop, the old guy wanted to go out fighting, he did.


35 posted on 08/08/2013 11:46:16 AM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: dennisw

Hell of a way to go. The poor guy survived The Great Depression and WW2 only to die like a dog at the hands of some thugs with a badge. My wife is a nurses aide at our local hospital and has to deal with elderly people who are frequently combative because they are either suffering dementia or Alzhimers or are just scared. Most of the time the family isn’t around to help, not everyone can be with a loved one every minute, so the staff has to deal with the person but there are other ways to deal with elderly people without having to resort to this.


36 posted on 08/08/2013 12:23:21 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: oh8eleven
In the old Soviet Union if for nothing else they treated their WW2 vets with respect. They did because the vets would wear what ever citation they been given so people would know. I've seen plenty of America vets from WW2, Korea and Vietnam wearing caps saying so and they certainly get my respect. Sorry your service affected you so. All in all, war does suck.
37 posted on 08/08/2013 12:27:50 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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Sorry your service affected you so.
It was an honor to be a Marine and serve America. I'd do it again in heartbeat.
38 posted on 08/08/2013 12:31:10 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

My oldest brother was a 2nd. Lieutenant 5th. Marines, 3rd. Battalion ‘77-80. My late-father-in-law was 4th. Marines. Saipan, Tinian and Iwo Jima.


39 posted on 08/08/2013 1:02:45 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

that though went through my mind and how about the staff that was scared of him? Were they minorities or foreigners devoid of sympathy or understanding of an old white guy 95 years old?


40 posted on 08/08/2013 2:26:33 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: jmacusa
My late-father-in-law was 4th Marines. Saipan, Tinian and Iwo Jima.
It was the 4th Marine Division who fought those battles, not the "4th Marines" Regiment.
I'll bet he had some stories ... that is, if he ever said a word about them.
My dad was 9th Marines (3rd Marine Div - Guam, Bouganville) and despite the fact we were both combat vets, he never said a word to me about it.
41 posted on 08/08/2013 4:53:52 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
I didn't say “regiment’’. I was under the impression Marines often just say,as an example , ‘5 Marines’’, it being understood, certainly between Marines anyway,that it means ‘’Division’’.
42 posted on 08/08/2013 8:55:41 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: dennisw

Never ever leave your loved one alone in a hospital or other facility, especially if the are very old or very young. They are too vulnerable, and people treat them like they don’t really have rights - just the obligation to obey their orders.

When my parents or children were in the hospital, I stayed with them 24/7. I didn’t go home till they went home. Same with the rehabe center. Our family took turns staying with them.

When they tried to tell me visiting hours were over, I just said, tell your supervisor I am not leaving, my parent gets too anxious, and is afraid to stay here with out me. I’ll be happy to give the supervisor my lawyer’s number.


43 posted on 08/08/2013 9:07:05 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: jmacusa
I didn't say “regiment’’. I was under the impression Marines often just say,as an example , ‘5 Marines’’
You did when you said, "My late-father-in-law was 4th. Marines." What you're saying is that he was with the 4th Marine Regiment.
You also said your brother was with 5th Marines, 3rd. Battalion. That unit would be known as 3/5, or from a regimental level - 5th Marines.
44 posted on 08/09/2013 5:33:52 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

He was a lieutenant 5th. Marine Division, 3rd. Battalion, Lima Company.


45 posted on 08/09/2013 12:08:59 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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